This war is illegal!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by trader556, Mar 1, 2003.

  1. international law is pure abstraction, because there is no international government, constitution, or police force ( except for the U.S. military).

    actually all you irrational war protestors are in violation of MondoTrader Law, and you don't even care. Also, on a pro-forma basis I am the richest man in the world.

    The bottom line is its all crap and Sadam's days in power are numbered and that is a good thing for the world.
     
    #11     Mar 2, 2003
  2. msfe

    msfe

    Let's Make George Bush President for Life

    Everyone knows that elections are too darn frequent, forcing our leaders to turn away from their great leadership at the helm of state to worry about our petty concerns. And besides, it's expensive for the taxpayer. So we can simply make George Bush president for life, and then, when he dies or retires, we can have a glorious Democratic-Republican convention, to select his successor. What could be more truly democratic?

    Free Up the President.

    If Lessons 1 to 6 were put in place, our president would then at last be free, free of the crippling restraints of Congress, of elections, and of the yellow-bellied, traitorous, etc. media. With Congress and the media united in service to the president, he would be free to unify the nation, he could write laws in the form of his own executive decrees, he could set his budget and levy his taxes (and cut the capital gains tax, by God). He would also be free to run his New World Order abroad, to obliterate the Enemy for, say, $100 billion, and then spend another $100 billion to rebuild the enemy lands. War and reconstruction contractors will be happy and prosperous, and this will provide plenty of jobs and keep America prosperous as well. The president will get 98-percent approval rating in the polls, which can serve as a scientific substitute for messy and grubby elections.

    Some carping critics (the 2 percent yellow-bellies, etc. above – and there are always a few rotten apples in every glorious barrel) might claim that we would lose our freedom and that the president would be a dictator.

    But that would be the biggest lie of them all. For we must always remember that the president represents us, that in the deepest sense the president is us and that we are the president, and that therefore when the president is set free and is unrestrained, we are all free.

    April 1991



    http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch26.html
     
    #12     Mar 2, 2003
  3. While Mr slick the bubba wily was long donging monica,:eek:

    Allies hushed up weapons' destruction

    "THE highest-ranking defector ever to turn informant on Saddam Hussein’s government told United Nations weapons inspectors in 1995 that Iraq had destroyed all its chemical and biological weapons stocks after the Gulf war.

    But UN inspectors hushed up that part of Hussein Kamel’s story - which he also told to debriefers from British and United States intelligence - because they wanted to keep the pressure on Iraq to tell more.

    The revelation, reported in the US magazine Newsweek, raises new questions over claims by the US and Britain that Iraq has failed to account for vast stores of chemical and biological weapons."

    http://www.news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=230772003

    monkey and the goons still to invade Iraq. Why???:confused:

    The world is against it, allies says it's illegal, home support is dimminising. Turkey just told us to f%$k off. N Korea is having nukes aimed at Western USA.

    Mr. pres what the firggin f%#k are you doing????


    Is he nuts? http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=212859#post212859
     
    #13     Mar 3, 2003
  4. msfe, if you can't win an argument just change the subject to some bizzarre tangent like make bush pres. for life. Go find yourself an argument and come back later when you are ready.
     
    #14     Mar 3, 2003
  5. msfe

    msfe

    MondoTrader:`Go find yourself an argument and come back later when you are ready.´

    are you ready ?
     
    #15     Mar 4, 2003
  6. >>THE highest-ranking defector ever to turn informant on Saddam Hussein’s government told United Nations weapons inspectors in 1995 that Iraq had destroyed all its chemical and biological weapons stocks after the Gulf war.<<

    Trader556, have you ever considered the point of view that that 'defector' wasn't believed (or, for that matter, that there was no way to corroberate that story)?

    We can safely assume that Mr Saddam Hussein was very aware
    how interested the UN was in him destrying some WMD so wouldn't it have been logical that he would have called the UN in to witness it ?

    If he naively believed that that wasn't necessary then he deserves everything that is coming to him. I don't however believe that Saddam is stupid.


    Trader556, being impulsive and shooting off your mouth before thinking things through is a bad trait to have for a trader.
    I feel sorry for you.

    freealways
     
    #16     Mar 4, 2003
  7. msfe

    msfe

    Independent Iraqis oppose Bush's war

    Not every group takes US cash. Some worry about their people

    Jonathan Steele
    Wednesday March 5, 2003
    The Guardian

    A new myth has emerged in the pro-war camp's propaganda arsenal. Iraqi exiles support the war, they claim, and none took part in last month's march through central London. So if the peaceniks and leftwingers who joined the protest had the honesty to listen to the true voice of the Iraqi people they would never denounce Bush's plans for war again.

    Wrong, and wrong. A large number of Iraqis were among the million-member throng, including two key independent political groups. They carried banners denouncing Saddam Hussein (thereby echoing the sentiments of many non-Iraqis since this was not a protest by pro-Saddam patsies, as the pro-war people also falsely claim). They represented important currents in the Iraqi opposition, and ones whom the Americans have repeatedly tried to persuade to join the exiles' liaison committee.

    "No way," says Dr Haider Abas, London spokesman of Da'wa, Iraq's moderate Islamic party. "When we met Zalmay Khalilzad (the US special envoy for Iraq) we told him we didn't want to give a cover to US military operations. It's not our role. We won't be respected by our people."

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,907781,00.html
     
    #17     Mar 5, 2003
  8. Published on Tuesday, March 4, 2003 by the Los Angeles Times

    Even some in government can no longer be silent in the face of falsehood.

    by Robert Scheer

    So the truth is out: George W. Bush lied when he claimed to be worried about Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction. Otherwise, Iraq's stepped-up cooperation with the U.N. on disarmament would be stunningly good news, obviating the need to rush to war.

    Instead, the U.N. weapons inspectors' verification of Iraq's destruction of missiles, private meetings with Iraqi weapons scientists, visits to locations where biological and chemical weapons were destroyed in 1991 and a series of unfettered flights by U2 spy plans have been met with a shrug and sneer in Washington. The White House line is that even if the Iraqis destroy all their slingshots, Goliath is still bringing his tanks and instituting "regime change." The arrogance is breathtaking. We have demanded that a country disarm -- and even as it is doing so, we say it doesn't matter: it's too late; we're coming in. Put down your guns and await the slaughter.

    Abraham Lincoln once observed that even a free people can be fooled for a time -- and this, mind you, was long before Fox News existed -- and in his chaotic two-year presidency, Bush has pushed the Big Lie approach so far that we are seeing dramatic signs of its cracking: an international backlash, a domestic peace movement and whistle-blowing from inside our own intelligence and diplomatic corps.

    "We have not seen such systematic distortion of intelligence, such systematic manipulation of the American people, since the war in Vietnam," wrote John Brady Kiesling, a 20-year veteran of the U.S. Foreign Service in his letter of resignation last week to Secretary of State Colin Powell. Kiesling, who was political counselor in U.S. embassies throughout the Mideast, added that "until this administration, it had been possible to believe that by upholding the policies of my president, I was also upholding the interests of the American people and the world. I believe it no longer."

    And this brave man is not the only one who has caught on. The entire world is astonished that our president is lying not about a personal indiscretion but about the most sacred duty of the leader of the most powerful nation in human history not to recklessly endanger the lives of his own or the world's people. Yet lie he has.

    The first lie, claimed outright, was that Iraq aided and abetted the Sept. 11 terrorists. There is no evidence at all for this claim. It is also interesting to note that not a single leading Al Qaeda operative has turned out to be Iraqi. The latest to be nabbed, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, was living in Pakistan, was raised in Kuwait and studied engineering -- and presumably the physics of explosives -- at a college in North Carolina.

    The second lie was that Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction represent an imminent threat to U.S. security. Despite the most hugely expensive but secret high-tech spy operation in human history -- estimated by most at well over $100 billion a year -- and a vast network of defectors and spies, we have not been able to find their supposed weapons.

    The third and most dangerous lie is that our mission now is to bring lasting peace to the Mideast by a devastating invasion of Iraq, which will end, as the president outlined last week, in U.S. dominance over the structure of government and politics throughout the region. After abandoning promising efforts by the previous administration to create peace between Israel and the Palestinians, the Bush team now claims that changing Muslim governments around the world will end the downward spiral of violence there. Which leads us to another lie: that this is all good for our ally, Israel -- the claim of the cabal of neoconservative ideologues running our Mideast policy. In fact, however, Israel will be placed in a terribly dangerous position, serving as a fig leaf for U.S. ambitions, further ensuring that it remain forever an isolated military garrison.

    This construction of a new world order comes from a naive and untraveled president, emboldened in his ignorance by advisors who have been plotting an aggressive Pax Americana ever since the Soviet bloc's collapse. Bush insiders Richard Perle, Elliott Abrams, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz and Donald Rumsfeld are all members of something called the Project for a New American Century that has been pushing for a U.S. redesign of the Mideast since 1997. After Sept. 11, they seized on our national tragedy as a way to enlist George W. in support of their grand design. Not only was this reckless scheme never mentioned by Bush during the election campaign, it was the sort of thing renounced as "nation-building," something he would never support. Yet another lie.

    Copyright 2003 Los Angeles Times


    Wake up America :mad: :mad:

    give my country back and what IT USED TO STAND FOR:mad: :mad:

    http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=212859#post212859
     
    #18     Mar 6, 2003
  9. msfe

    msfe

    #19     Mar 6, 2003
  10. You sound like you are good candidate to join human shields in Iraq.

    When I was a child and lived in Soviet Union, everyday I was brain washed that wee are the most peaceful nation on earth and surrounded only with enemies and no good americans accuse us of having biological and chemical weapons and this is not true. They showed to us on TV students and liberals in other countries supporting USSR against imperialistic forces !!!
    After the collapse of Soviet Union wee found out that wee were armed up to the teeth (biological and chemical including) and get money now from USA to destroy those non existent weapons.
    Now I am american citizen and I am watching how everything is repeating again and again. People have short memories people who live in democratic countries can not understand what is going on just because they do not have experience of living in prison like, ideological, brain washing state.
    It's a pity that you do not have this experience it would make all current events very familiar to you.
     
    #20     Mar 6, 2003