This is no clown car... Republican debate

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jem, Sep 16, 2015.

  1. jem

    jem

    this is almost as out of touch as 58 states. glad he is not my first choice.

     
    #101     Sep 18, 2015
  2. People are seriously suggesting that Trump doesn't know how to negotiate or close a deal? I guess he just rose to the top of a viciously competitive business through good luck? People will say his father staked him. so what? I've known plenty of rich kids who failed miserably despite family help.
     
    #102     Sep 18, 2015
  3. Ricter

    Ricter

    You mean you've heard of plenty.
     
    #103     Sep 18, 2015
  4. globuli

    globuli

    Trump says he'll make great deals for the USA because he is a successful businessman. There's no way of knowing that. He has no record of doing deals on behalf of the American public. If you trust him on face value, vote for him. Give him your money and support. Political realities differ from those of business. Often, elected officials have to act, pass legislation, and make deals. In business, you often have a choice. If a deals sucks, you can walk away. In the political realm, things are different. You can't just walk away (you can, but you will be out of a job soon) People in legislative and executive branches have to come to an accommodation to fund budgets, run schools, collect the garbage, maintain defense, operate police and fire, etc. And that's how it should be. Public service requires service and acting in the public interest. Business doesn't. Business serves itself. Business can or cannot elect to act in the public interest, as its primary concern is self interest. It's a dichotomy we celebrate. Government is not business and business is not government. Were government run as business, then it would soak business like crazy. It's bad enough that business has outsize influence on public policy. We should be wary of electing the foxes to sit inside the hen house
     
    #104     Sep 18, 2015
  5. Ricter

    Ricter

    Well said. We also have an indication with the track record of previous presidents who came from business: it's not good.
     
    #105     Sep 18, 2015
  6. The US has come out on the short end of every deal Obama has negotiated. It's hard to know if that is because of epic incompetency or because he has an agenda that is hostile to our interests.

    Businessmen can and do walk away from deals. Pols, like John Kerry and Obama, have different incentives, like no one ever got a Nobel Peace Prize for walking away from a bad deal. Maybe we'd be better off with a guy with street smarts whose entire ego is based on being a great dealmaker, not pandering to foreign elites or the media.
     
    #106     Sep 18, 2015
  7. A recent example, of course, is GWB, who also didn't create value. His investors got cents on the dollar, but got compensated due to tax loopholes.

    http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/05/13/president.2000/jackson.bush/

    Maybe GWB should also "co-author" a book about business, too...
     
    #107     Sep 19, 2015
  8. More like "trooph," which sounds a bit like "truth" but really isn't.
     
    #108     Sep 19, 2015
  9. Yeah, but we both know Trump didn't sit down and put pen to paper for any of it. He just talked. The other guy listened to the jumble of hyperbole and took notes until his ears bled out and then went into a dark corner somewhere where he put it all into a sausage machine, and out popped the book. And then Trump put his name on it. A licensing deal, you might say.
     
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    #109     Sep 19, 2015
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  10. If you connect the dots, and if your brain can accept the obvious in spite of you're not liking the conclusion (and "this is America, it can't possibly be")... it's OBVIOUS!!

    The one common thread that ties all of Obama's decisions and policies.... "each choice he makes harms America... and he's doing it on purpose!" Adding to the tragedy... CONGRESS AND THE SCOTUS ARE LETTING HIM GET AWAY WITH IT!
     
    #110     Sep 19, 2015