This "edge" stuff

Discussion in 'Strategy Building' started by BertH, May 16, 2006.

  1. NTB

    NTB

    Thanks for the kind words. It's nice to be appreciated. I'm in the business of finding those individuals and strategies with 'edges' and investing in them. It's a subject matter that is very near and dear to my heart. A few more examples just for fun (remember, an edge is an advantage, not a guarantee):

    1- Corporate Bond of Firm XYZ has just been downgraded by Moody's and Standard and Poors out of investment grade. Bond is sold with reckless abandon because many bond funds are mandated to hold only investment grade paper. Bond is now too cheap based upon forced sales. Smart buyers may have an 'edge' to buy this type of paper (this strategy is similar to forced buying/selling of add/removes of S&P 500 names, etc.).

    2- Stock ABC has a 30 year statistical history of trading relative to it's sector and more specifically a corresponding pair. Rocket Scientist Bob's model picks up an anomoly between Stock ABC and it's corresponding pair Stock XYZ. Seems that Stock ABC and Stock XYZ are trading 2 1/2 standard deviations away from their historical mean trading ratio. Bob's model immediately triggers a buy of $1 Million ABC and a corresponding sale of $1 Million XYZ expecting the 30 year statistical history to revert back to a more normalized relationship once the temporary/demand supply imbalance causing this anomolous deviation is satiated. Turns out the Sultan of Brunei was selling ABC because his brother Jeffrey told him to. This temporary supply pressured ABC down substantially relative to XYZ. Bob's model picked this up. As soon as His Majesty was completed, ABC rallied and XYZ stayed the same and the ratio reverted back to a more normalized historical pattern. Bob made a killing because he did similar over a universe of 5000 stocks and had about 400 similar pairs on at any given time.

    3- Mike is an Environmentalist. He's followed the saga of the Kyoto Protocol and has been thinking about how to monetize the newly created market of EU Emission Allowances and Environmental Credits. Mike realized that companies that are operating in countries that are signers to Kyoto would be mandated to purchase pollution credits at any price to the extent that they had a short fall in the normal course of their business operations. On the other hand, Mike also realized that businesses with a surplus of Environmental Credits would not have a readily available manner in which to monetize these credits. As such, Mike (being a guy who loves an edge) decided to become the first non-end user to monetize and inventory credits. He made contacts, learned the space quickly and purchased cheap credits from companies who had surplus credits but had no alternative means of liquidating these credits for cash. In turn, he also stood ready to sell credits (at substantial multi-triple digit markups) to companies that desperately required greater pollution rights and were facing hefty fines if not complete shutdowns if they didn't secure these additional rights. Mike is now richer than many third world countries.

    Does any of this sound like I practice good risk management? I cut my losses? I keep my emotions in check? I study technicals and fundamentals? All of those are important but are merely tools. Your primary business needs to have a positive expectancy to start with. If not, those tools will not turn a losing strategy into a winner. If you have a winning strategy with a statistically valid positive expectancy, those tools will enhance and improve upon your business. If your business does not have an edge, the greatest risk management in the world will not turn a losing game into a winner.
     
    #41     May 19, 2006
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  2. RobMc

    RobMc

    Everyone seems to be getting hung up on or diverted by the various definitions of "edge". The above seems to me to be the reply which is closest to the explanations given by acrary, to which the opening post alludes, in this outstanding thread :- http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33654&perpage=6&pagenumber=1
     
    #42     May 19, 2006
  3. Well said.
     
    #43     May 19, 2006
  4. Having a car that can fit into parking spots too small for SUV's is an edge. Especially if everyone in your city drives SUV's but you.
     
    #44     May 19, 2006
  5. Having an edge is considered cheating.

    Goto a casino and tell them you count cards.
     
    #45     May 19, 2006
  6. dhale75

    dhale75

    Well, most traders will probably never know what a "true" edge is because the trader who feels he/she has it will never be dumb enough to share it with the world. Until it doesn't work anymore of course, then it will be sold as a book.:D
     
    #46     May 19, 2006
  7. One very important edge for any active trader is low trading costs!!!

     
    #47     May 19, 2006
  8. BertH

    BertH

    many final thanks to those who helped on this thread. I guess I was at the doorstep and just needed a bit of prodding, because I think I found my "edge." At minimum, I'm significantly closer finally, as I have some smaller details to work out only. I think someone described it as "you'll know when you find it."
     
    #48     May 22, 2006
  9. if i am a runner and i am faster that is my edge....if i can bake a cake better than you that is my edge........if you use a 2 x 4 to bat with and i use a baseball bat that is my edge........if you fish with a hook and i don't that is your edge........if you use a crank telephone and i use a cell phone?..........if i smoke and udont'.....your edge...........if i have a system that is 50% and yours is 80% and all else equal.......your edge.....if you and i take a math exam and you cna't add 2 and 2 and get 4 and i can sometimes only, then i still have the edge.............if i can swim and u can't and we both get dumped out of boat over our heads, would you prefer to have the "EDGE"? i could do this all day........do u understand now what an edge is......it is some of what causes you achieve success in your trading career.......you cna have dozens of edges......tenacity, patience, discipline, concentration, good accoount, people who can help you, yada yada. .....forever...........have a good day
     
    #49     May 23, 2006
  10. superior intelligence might help equities trading......emini daytrading it is a disadvantage......point in fact.......porgie has an advantage/edge there for sure......
     
    #50     May 23, 2006