This coronavirus volatility has got me thinking...

Discussion in 'Trading' started by farmerjohn1324, Mar 29, 2020.

  1. Every time I've back tested anything, it did not work. If it were as easy as looking for EMA crossovers, everyone would do it.

    I've heard people say that technicals only work when fundamentals stay the same. So it makes more sense to me to focus on fundamentals.

    I'm willing to learn new things if there's something to learn. But I also don't want to spend my time on a wild goose chase.
     
    #11     Mar 29, 2020
  2. FriskyCat

    FriskyCat

    :banghead:
     
    #12     Mar 29, 2020
  3. FriskyCat

    FriskyCat

    Garbage in, garbage out.
     
    #13     Mar 29, 2020
  4. What is the longest-term trade that you think can be based on technicals?

    I could see it working if you have a supercomputer that analyzes every scenario 100 times per second. But not to trade based on a human watching the charts.
     
    #14     Mar 29, 2020
  5. FriskyCat

    FriskyCat

    I don't really understand the question. "longest-term". You could trade off of monthly, quarterly charts. Place 200 MA's on those, watch the slope of them, etc, etc.

    There is also a distinction between "technicals" and "systems". Technicals will apply to every type of market, but they require experience to filter what they are telling you. A system might only work in a very specific type of market structure.
     
    #15     Mar 29, 2020
  6. trdes

    trdes

    Fair enough. It's not easy and it just isn't about two lines crossing you are right. Just think about the logic though, of course two lines crossing if you take every single one you're unlikely to be successful, I mean really of course it isn't that easy. We can agree on that.

    Now if you have two lines crossing and also additional requirements, along with proper trading / screen time to actually understand the TA you're using. That's when TA can actually give you probabilities that isn't just throwing darts at two lines intersecting.

    For example but not limited to:

    #1 Triggers (lines crossing or something that is a set signal indicating a buy or sell)

    #2 A way to judge the strength (objectively) of underlining asset so that you have an expectation of your short or buy signal and also you know if you should be taking more buy or more sell signals.

    #3 A way to measure means to reversion levels. For example levels that the markets tends to revert back to when you do get a buy or sell signal.

    You're trying to learn and understand things that take time and experience. There's not really much someone can do to just transfer all the knowledge over to you in one post, it doesn't work like that.
     
    #16     Mar 29, 2020
  7. padutrader

    padutrader

    feb 13 i gave a sell here in ET

    but you can laugh at a billion or two who believe it works most of the time.
     
    #17     Mar 29, 2020
  8. padutrader

    padutrader

    if fundamentals remain the same price does not remain the same any idiot knows this.

    do not spend time on a wild goose chase,then. do you have a gun to your headd?
     
    #18     Mar 29, 2020
  9. So it sounds like you're describing combinations of technical indicators. Which is something I've tried to back test.

    1. Moving average crossover
    2. RSI
    3. Bollinger Bands

    It may take time to learn to trade with that profitably... But it takes no time to learn how to back test.

    I stopped back testing because it seemed obvious that it was leading nowhere.
     
    #19     Mar 29, 2020
  10. trdes

    trdes


    Yes, it's very difficult to learn all the nuances and to actually learn what indicators to use together. Also, sometime's even back testing strategies that look good, when you move them to live they actually don't work as intended and the results can be different (for a multitude of factors).

    So, I am not debating you on the difficulty. It take's some people years and years to find an edge. I am just letting you know that it isn't impossible.
     
    #20     Mar 29, 2020