Then fuxxing lower the tuition for everyone if according to your news most students are subsidized to boot with. Reserve special grants for truly gifted and hard working applicants who could otherwise not attend for financial reasons. For example, I sit, laugh, talk, do sports, and spend time with all sorts of people at my local church, some of which are regional Asian managers of global corporations, investment banks, law firms, some are well known surgeons, others are students or do janitorial like work. Diverse, edifying, uplifting, interesting and fun to be with types of people. If i asked anyone for help with a job at their firms they would not hesitate a second to introduce me. I doubt they even know which grad school I attended or whether they remember should I have ever mentioned it, which I don't recall. It's what we make out of life ourselves. Sure you can build a great network at bschool but you get the same network free of charge outside school if you are a driven and outgoing person. But maybe a few with 200k in their pockets are not driven or outgoing. Maybe then bschool makes perfect sense. Or some want to "reboot their careers" as you put it. Makes we wonder why having to reboot? Because they ran down their prior career or made wrong choices? Back to the original discussion point, yes we would need to disagree I guess. Everything you stated an MBA gave your wife, she could also have gotten outside school and I am confident she can in fact. Except of course that shiny, blinky certificate on the wall and the non verbal admiration and respect such degree bestows on us lucky ones.
Again, you are creating strawman arguments. Your original post was: no one should go to Bschool unless they see a monetary payoff. I disagreed and said there can be good reasons to go to Bschool for purely intellectual reasons. You are now saying that tuition is too high and you get the same benefits from your church. That's great you like your church. But that doesn't change the fact that Bschool can have value for many who are open to seeking that value. It can also be a transaction for others. Sadly, you haven't changed volpunter. And I think your church group hasn't really opened your mind to how diverse and nuanced the world is. I don't want to spend anytime on this topic with you any more.
That is entirely not true. My original point was: Classic university education is not worth the price, charged, unless one uses the reputation of the school in order to land a job. It then went into details because you and @Sig started to go all bazooka on me, claiming that university is THE place where technical disciplines are taught to which I counter-argued that there are tons of industries that use targeted education to train its professionals rather than having them work their butt through some standard university school programs. Newwurldmn, in most debates/discussions the original topic is usually addressed from various perspectives and as function of interest/demand, specifics are highlighted and drilled down upon, I would say that is very normal not "strawman" as you now several times mentioned. So far I have been very civil and respectful in reference to your wife, whom you mentioned attained an MBA. When you ask around and talk to more MBA graduates you will see that my argument is mostly confirmed which is that most MBA attendees decide such path because it lands them a better job, not because they wanna take a 2 year break, not because their prior career went nowhere, not because they find the experience so academically and intellectually stimulating (not sure how many get intellectually challenged by undergoing corporate finance 101/201 and option pricing 101/201). You then went on the next tangent claiming that the price of nearly 150,000 - 200,000 USD is worth paying for in exchange for networking with others, an opportunity you claimed is only possible to experience in an MBA like setting. I refuted the claim and said that anyone who is outgoing and driven can make the same quality contacts outside an MBA program. And finally, after you took me on (not the other way around) you seem to want to dictate who is able to put in a word defending his position and who not. Who is running out of arguments here I wonder?
To be fair, much of what I got out of my MBA was of the "didn't know I didn't know" this really cool field or idea even existed type of thing. If you have a transactional mindset, think an MBA consists solely of options/finance 101/202 style classes, and haven't yet grasped the "don't know what you don't know" concept you clearly wouldn't understand it. Hey, at least he's replaced the anti-semitism with just anti global elite ism (and I'm apparently one of them, yay).
... I congratulate you that you celebrate your degree and experience in your academic program. After all you planked down a fortune, so they better deliver. I am sure your degree opened doors for you, as it has opened for me. Then, why are you getting all riled up and emotional about someone who disagrees? You accuse me of being anti global elitism? I am living and have lived abroad and worked abroad, speak multiple languages, am incredibly grateful for open boarders and the opportunity to work and live wherever it pleases me. I am married to my beloved wife of a different culture. I am definitely anti elitism, and you seem to fit my target group perfectly. But not sure where you have that anti global from. And anti semitic? Funny, some people always start playing the ethnic card when the going gets tough. And Jews of course define what is acceptable and what not to be considered tolerant or intolerant right? Are you Jewish or why do you bring this up out of the blue? I let this pass but it was definitely a low shot of yours.
No no no, not anti globalism, anti-"establishment"... but what you don't know is that the "establishment" is global, they control everything. You see while we're (apparently I am one) all wearing "sweaters with logos of his alma mater on his weekend yachting outings" we're on yachts that can literally go anywhere in the world. Except Mongolia and Uzbekistan, those have been tough nuts for us, as you can see by the lack of "traditional education" and the resultant high achievement levels there that we just haven't been able to suppress. But I digress. Anyway, all of us "who lack self-esteem and self-confidence and believe they need the education nameplate to make up for their otherwise boring appearance in life" and "The less gifted" and the "pricks" that make up "the establishment" control the whole world, hence my use of the term "global". By the way, your about 0 for about 5 in your description of me so far, except maybe the "prick" part. No one has called me that in the past 40 some years but perhaps I've changed or am not paying attention, so I'll remain open to the idea that I could be one and just haven't yet realized it. Seems a bit strong when debating if we should view education in a purely transactional manner, but hey, what do I know. And I guess I could be Jewish, didn't show up on my 23 and me report but one never knows, thanks for enlightening me on that among other thing about myself I didn't know. Lets not pretend your previous incarnation didn't get banned for your relentless antisemitic comments about how Jews controlled the global financial system though....wait a minute, this whole "establishment is keeping the man down" thing is starting to sound familiar. Resist it, you wouldn't want to have to start up from zero posts again!
Please don't make us laugh. MBAs control the world? Mate you are posting on ET do you even realize that? Someone is feeling personally attacked and now suddenly everything is about him. Get real for a moment. We were arguing education. Now read your last post. I made my case and have no issue with you disagreeing with my points. Hope you feel better soon.
It is as I feared, you see the world in such a literal and transactional sense that even extreme sarcasm quoting you own words went over your head. At this point I am guessing you're a bit of an Aspie (as I probably am as well), so I'll leave you alone.
Sig, I apolgize to say your a clown, mbas control the world? Why didnt mark zuckerburg and bill gates go back to finish their education then ? Why do big money like hedge fund managers and billionaires control the world? Because they got an mba or because they got billions? I got my masters and bachelors and neither has done me any value yet, they might in the future but simply to meet up some Individuals and open doors as u said, beyond that its all on the person and more so money which again depends on the person and how much they make And yes this is ET, your dealing with hardcore professional traders who made theor fortunes not from mbas, from learning a skill they didnt learn in school, your points are valid, but for sure not here