They just banned short selling in US

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by nitro, Sep 18, 2008.

  1. nitro

    nitro

    I agree that anyone that is forced to make markets should be exempted from the shorting rule.

    nitro
     
    #291     Sep 21, 2008
  2. sprstpd

    sprstpd

    Actually, everyone should be exempted from this shorting rule.
     
    #292     Sep 21, 2008
  3. nitro

    nitro

    I am not going to call obviously smart people stupid. I think what they did was an act of desperation.

    These people realize they need to be dynamic in a highly fluid situation, and they will find the right compromise in the short term. Their goal is not to bankrupt the liquidity providers. That's silly.

    I believe this is a kind of MARTIAL LAW

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law

    imposed on financial markets. It is extremely painful, but in the short term probably has to be done.

    nitro
     
    #293     Sep 21, 2008
  4. nitro

    nitro

    As far as bringing back the uptick rule, I think it is a catastrophic mistake. I will be shorting NYX and buying CME if they do. Volumes from automated equity programs, which accounts for something like 60% of NYX volume, will implode.

    I don't know what the ultimate solution is. To be frank, not allowing any one institution to take on more than 10:1 leverage would probably solve every problem we are in, and there would be no need for the domino effect of unprecedented rules against market participants that insane leverage has caused.

    When people say there should be less banks, I say there should be more. Spread the risk out as much as possible. Don't allow any one institution to get out of control. Create an exchange for things like CDS and CDOs. Make it illegal for institutions to create products that can be traded away from an exchange.

    nitro
     
    #294     Sep 21, 2008
  5. It's not about exempting anyone that is being FORCED to make markets. It should be about anyone that is increasing liquidity by creating convergence in call/put parity, SSFs, etc. It's the ORDERS and OPEN INTEREST that provide the true liquidity and price discovery. If you make someone pay $3 to convert off their long stock, volume will just implode. I trade as many as 50k contracts/day in a portfolio margin environment, all in a delta-gamma-vega neutral model. Exempting market-fakers and not people doing similar trading is an economic injustice which will only line the pockets of the whining, trade busting, "whopping 20 up" market fakers.
     
    #295     Sep 21, 2008
  6. nitro

    nitro

    I do see where you are going with this, especially the market fakers part [Want to get around the rule? Become a market maker, quote some minimum, and voila, game the system]. I have to agree again. I just haven't thought it through all the way.

    nitro
     
    #296     Sep 21, 2008
  7. I WAS a CBOE BD until a few months ago when the custy PM systems became functional for my activities. I have no intention of returning to the regulatory hell from which I have emerged.
     
    #297     Sep 21, 2008
  8. Besides, if the exemption is just for entities REGISTERED as market-fakers, then anything outside your appointments going in your JBO "custy" account will NOT qualify for the exemption.
     
    #298     Sep 21, 2008
  9. sprstpd

    sprstpd

    That makes way too much sense to be ever implemented.
     
    #299     Sep 21, 2008
  10. There would be an uproar about usurping the Ct. crowd from earning a decent 12 figure income.
     
    #300     Sep 21, 2008