They just banned short selling in US

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by nitro, Sep 18, 2008.

  1. Are you guys kidding? Option market is already TOAST. This is going to MURDER every underwriter on the planet.
     
    #111     Sep 18, 2008
  2. jasonjm

    jasonjm

    Nitro is right, if this is approved, we may see ES print 1300 tomorrow

    the upside of approval is that they have to remove it at some point..... and that is the day of reckoning..... where all the shorts will pile right back in.


    I personally think this is a short squeeze / dont mess with us bluff, just to make sure all the shorts know they are playing with fire.

    If no approval tomorrow when market opens, I will sell ATM CALLS on ES
     
    #112     Sep 18, 2008
  3. this is the partial solution toward combatting insolvency... another is the post earlier that they will allow goodwill to be counted as reserves - come on, thats the bomb? so they levitate the bank stocks by limiting selling and relyiing on non-existant reseves. this allows then to issue more equity and get some real reserves... the banks couldnt borrow, they didnt have the capital to make loans and they were getting shorted into oblivion... Zombie Banks.

    absolute desperation! they borrowed $40B or $50B yesterday & $100B today...

    i wonder if the goodwill change will facilitate a WM buyout... say $20B, $1 asset value and $19.99999B goodwill? :D
     
    #113     Sep 18, 2008
  4. ssblack

    ssblack

    you're still misunderstanding me. or maybe i'm doing a poor job of explaining it.

    i mean if this holds (which I'm sure it won't in the long term) then all my comment was is that we can look forward to very trending markets now. kind of like, instead of up 10 handles, consolidate, then up another 10 in ES, it'd be an orderly (or perhaps violent) move upwards by 20 handles in half the time. then everyone sells for profits, and that pressure takes over to push it back down by 20 handles.

    ES is only an example, as obviously futures won't have this retarded restriction.

    i probably butchered that explanation too, so if i did, forgive me. :D
     
    #114     Sep 18, 2008
  5. nitro

    nitro

    I understand what you are saying now. I don't know. However, if what you are saying is correct, I have an automated system that prints money in that environment.

    I will have to think about what you are saying.

    nitro
     
    #115     Sep 18, 2008
  6. mskl

    mskl

    I wonder how they will stop short positions that are derived from short calls/long puts?

    that is: there is a huge open interest in the options market - as they are assigned - traders will get short positions.

    I wonder if you can buy puts and then exercise??

    I wonder if you can short SSF - becoming short on expiration

    I wonder if you can sell calls - becoming short if they are assigned


    They may completely destroy the options market....
     
    #116     Sep 18, 2008
  7. LMAO :)
     
    #117     Sep 18, 2008
  8. this will most liklely get me flamed but I would rather see them just shut the whole market down for 2 weeks then this insanity of banning such a vital market function as short selling.
    I know I'm not touching my trading account until this gets sorted out.
     
    #118     Sep 18, 2008
  9. jasonjm

    jasonjm

    How many people seriously believe this is going to come into effect?

    I certainly don't, and net i'm long the market
     
    #119     Sep 18, 2008
  10. Yes, just halt trading altogether. why not! till cooler heads prevail?
     
    #120     Sep 18, 2008