95% of mexicans are not coming here for social services, if California cancels all social sevices for illegals they will still be coming in droves cause they are here to work and make a living. They will still be taking chances. Of course while they are here they may get sick, get into an accident etc. You said they are good for the economy, you said you're humane so what exactly do you propose, should they be dying in the streets, should hospitals pick up the tab? You want them here but you don't have any idea what to do about them when they need help or treatment. Besides while California may have been "inviting", two democratic governors of New Mexico and Arizona declared a state of emergency because of the border/immigration disaster in their states. Of course you conveniently "forget" about that. The point is it's not a local/state issue, it's a federal issue and for the last 5 years the federal government has been controlled by republicans, the results are becoming more and more obvious.
It's even worse than that. Wealthy mexicans are above the law. If they kill or injure some poor person or foreigner, it's swept under the carpet, kind of like they were a Kennedy here. The police are totally corrupt. they stop taxicabs in mexico city and rob people at gunpoint. For all the mexicans' bellyaching aobut how unfair US immigration law is, theirs is many times more harsh. Teh Mexican Constitution spells out a series of severe limitations on the rights f non-citizens. Unlike here, "illegals" are subject to summary expulsion, as is anyone else who does something like demonstrate or try to influence mexican politics. Their southern border is guarded by troops, to prevent illegals and drug smugglers from crossing without paying off the appropriate officials. As kent has pointed out, illegal immigration fundamentally distorts mexican society, as it provides an escape for the most motivatedpeople, those who might otherwise force a change in their system.
yeah well you are speculating now as well. if ca did not give away benefits there would be many less illegals. I guarantee that from my experience living there and being a lawyer there. There are many illegal asians working for cash and getting benefits in San Diego. i met plenty of them.
A lot in New York, Boston, Washington, D.C., FLorida, Texas, heck even in Raleigh North Carolina! How is this only one state's problem and only one party's fault???????
You just had to throw Kennedy into the mix, didn't cha? That's an extreme anomaly -- we both know the only reason Teddy got off was because the government, and the public opinion at the time, simply decided that the Kennedy family had had enough death via public service to outweigh having another family member charged with negligent homicide/involuntary manslaughter, so soon. But, I'm off topic. The current crop of illegal immigrants outnumber U.S. law enforcement plus the military by about 10 to 1, and mass deportation could lead to civil war in States with concentrated illegal populations. So, that's not a rational solution. I think we should give those illegals who are already here the carrot and the stick: set up some reasonable rules to attain U.S. citizenship; filter the immigrants who are already here through those rules, deport the losers, and close the border. But, if we don't close the border, then nothing else we do will matter -- it will be the same outcome as what occurred during the Reagan era amnesty. We will have millions of new citizens and millions more illegal immigrants. And, it will never end.
I agree. No one is advocating mass expulsion, but clearly the system is broken. It didn't get that way overnight, and it can't be fixed overnight. The problem with a "comprehensive" solution like bush wants is that it ends up being all carrot and no stick. The only reasonable way to fix the system is in stages, and the obvious place to begin is the border. Once that is taken care of and the influx reduced to a trickle, the other problems become more manageable and we begin to have some trust in our officials to be responsible. As it is now, that trust is lacking. It baffles me how Bush, MccCain and Kennedy can argue for a legalization process without explaining what they will do to the illegals who fail to comply. They won't expel lawbreakers now. Why should we, or the illegals, expect anything to change?
Sadly, they are all misrepresenting the issue to the public. I was listening to Jeff Sessions on the floor of the Senate today, and he was "testifyin'" to the truth of the matter. He stated that no President or Congress has squared off on this issue, including Reagan, who put up the 1986 amnesty bill, promised to enforce the borders, and then never appropriated any money to do it. I believe that there is a backroom deal between the heavyweights in Mexico and the U.S. and that they have agreed to allow a continuous stream of immigration into the U.S. in return for ______? Maybe, we are just afraid of the consequences of another Mexican revolution. Maybe too many wealthy Americans own real estate trusts in Mexico now to upset the applecart. I don't know what's going on, but I'll bet that EVERYONE on ET would have to agree, that when Ted Kennedy and George W. Bush are on the same side of an issue, that SOMETHING very fishy is going on. Ted and George do have one thing in common: they're both filthy rich. So, I'm guessing that they're both protecting their wealth and the wealth of some undisclosed constituents.
Who knows? But it doesn't require a conspiracy theory. The Dem's see an army of potential voters, the Rep's are afraid of a backlash and also their small business base depends on the illegals. so long as both parties stay in lock step, they figure there is nothing the voters can do about it. It's amusing to listen to the open borders Republicans try to justify their position. I have heard a couple of them point to bush receiving 44% of the hispanic vote. Excuse me, but that means the other guy got 56% of it, nearly 50% more. It reminds me of the old joke about the guy who lost a dollar on every widget he sold, but was planning to make it up on volume. For the Republicans, that's a really powerful strategy--infuriate your own supporters even as you swell the ranks of Democrat voters. With thinking like that, it's no wonder we made a mess out of Iraq.
oh my god. i cannot belive that i am agreeing with ddddoo. but let me ask you a question, if you r against illegals, what solution do you propose? their farming communities along the borders were destroyed after the introduction of NAFTA and after the u.s. dumped their heavily subsidized produce in their back yard. what r u proposing to do with all of these farmers. oh by the way, this is wael the bogeyman.
Only a physical wall the full length of the border has any hope of slowing it, until the costs of coming here equal the benefits. "Life finds a way". The free market philosophy and wealth disparity gives it additional energy. Where has the mixing of peoples ever been successfully stopped anywhere in the world, at any time in history? Even max security jails have the occasional escape, and, believe it or not, the occasional break-in.