These last few days are a breath of fresh air to me...

Discussion in 'Options' started by Cabin111, May 12, 2021.

  1. RedSun

    RedSun

    The problem is that Cathie is near retirement age. She probably won't see another 10 years from now, at her job.

    Also, her actual time (or money) weighted return is negative now. Most of the investors who sunk billions into her ETFs recently never see any green.

    The question is, when those investors will just dump Cathie and her disruptive bets....
     
    #11     May 12, 2021
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  2. destriero

    destriero


    You're short puts. I'll never understand the mindset that "it's OK bc my stonks are good" argument is anything but cognitive dissonance. We will rally tomorrow and Friday, but the fact remains that you're short puts. You will receive less prem when you rollover bc the loss to deltas will exceed the increase in vol. You'll have to roll down strikes.

    What good is buying them back? It makes you feel good that you made money on one side of the equation. Did you make more on the short calls than you lost on shares? Of course not.
     
    #12     May 13, 2021
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  3. destriero

    destriero

    The problem with threads like these is that you're attempting to publicly reconcile being unsettled by the drop. This is not a "value" market. Look at the public fund performance by value investors in recent years.

    If the goal is to trade vol then understand your market. Don't roll monthly. It drives me nuts when ppl short weeklies or 30-days out for "vol" exposure. Short quarterlies. Overwrite. There is no point in buying shares and writing a 1Y call... short the 1Y put. I realize that you're not explicitly in these names to write vol, but I'd bet that you're writing calls on a large(r) minority that you'll admit.

    You're a good dude. Why CC when you can short a put? Because your truly a believer in the market going forward? If so, then forget vol entirely or get some knowledge. You want to hold XYZ for 3-5Y? Short 3 to 1 in the 1Y calls at 20 deltas. You're still 40D long. You want three times the spot-exposure? Buy 300 and short 9 of the 20D.

    More conservative? Buy 100 XYZ at 200 and short two of the 1Y 300C. There is nothing to think about; you're neutral to the synthetic (near $300). No way you're not up on marks at $300 any time prior to expiration. There are outs at that level which include covering at sizable gain, buying the wings to effect a long fly at a credit, etc. The point of this (synthetic straddle) position is that it's automatic; you know from day1 where you peak profitability lies, regardless of vol. One benefit is that it won't make you the weak holder and you'll benefit from the tax deferral if you hold into the OpEx year.
     
    #13     May 13, 2021
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  4. Cabin111

    Cabin111

    You start with a wrong presupposition and you get a wrong answer...One size does not fit all. Let's go to Edward Jones and have them run an analysis of what I need for retirement!! "The computer readout says you need loaded mutual funds and a couple of annuities"!!

    I've shared my situation before, so I'll just repeat it briefly. Have a lot of money with no place to put it. Yeah, some is in CDs...I'm 65 1/2. Have investments spread everywhere; house, rental, investment lot, tons of stocks, CDs, note and deed of trust, 5 ROTH IRAs (my wife and I), gold and sliver coins, vehicles paid for, life insurance, ect.

    I have a ton of assets, but very little income...About $70,000. this year. THAT IS OK...I am spread everywhere for asset protection. What I don't have is a trusted second person. My wife is wise and has a good business mind. She doesn't want to deal with investments...Would rather play with grand kids. It is her choice and I respect her for that. If I passed away or became disabled, someone would have to step up to the plate to exercise those puts. My wife doesn't want to deal with it. My kids have kids and can barely keep up with them. One is in town and not responsible...The other is out of state and is responsible. If and when my wife and I become incapable of handling our investment, it will go to a bank's trust department to make the decisions. They may not look at our accounts at Schwab and Fidelity for months. They may not catch having to clear/fill positions!! DO YOU UNDERSTAND!! I've had two heart attacks, my wife has had two hip replacements. I can manage the assets now, but in the future there is no way to know what will happen. The trust department will take 6% per year to manage our affairs...Plus using their accountants, Realtors, lawyers!!

    If I (or my wife) are in a rest home, we hand it to the trust. But, we will make more by having $100,000. sitting in a money market account at Schwab/Fidelity (earning diddly squat) than having the trust department grabbing the 6%!!

    Again, covered calls make sense for our situation...And again, it's only 10 to 15% of our portfolios. For 95% of the people out there it does not. Agree to disagree...
     
    #14     May 13, 2021
  5. Cabin111

    Cabin111

    As Cabin was fading away in the hospital bed, I could hear him yelling..."CLEAR OUR POSITIONS, CLEAR OUR POSITIONS!!!
     
    #15     May 13, 2021
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  6. Bro - log scale or it's distorted.
     
    #16     May 15, 2021
  7. While your point is theoretically valid, for some stocks, at least CC's are better:
    bc OTM CC's have tighter spreads than ITM equivalent puts. Because some stocks have a distortion giving more prem to calls then puts (probably a bull bias in the markets on those). Because calls and OTM options typically have higher volume than puts / ITM options, so fills are a lot easier.

    But, yeah, if you can get an equivalent fill shorting a put, then it's definitely better for margin, etc. and has identical outcomes.
     
    #17     May 15, 2021
  8. themickey

    themickey

    Tru dat.
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    #18     May 15, 2021
  9. Doesn't look like value investors to me!
    Looks like inflation front-runners and fed backstoppage in advance of a MAJOR currency / debt crisis.
    But that's my Rorshach, lol. What's yours?
     
    #19     May 15, 2021
  10. destriero

    destriero


    Conversions and reversals. While calls are typically written OTM vs. an ITM put; you're trading shares as well with the NBBO on two classes. It's going to be cheaper to write vol in a put than stock and a short call. You lose credibility with the "distortion" comment.

    Do index vols have a "long bias?"
     
    #20     May 15, 2021