There's something wrong with human nature.

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Rearden Metal, Nov 26, 2009.

  1. Witches. Homosexuals. Political dissidents. 'Promiscuous' females (includes rape victims). Heretics/atheists. Academics/intellectuals/teachers. Successful businessmen ('bourgeois'). Scientists and philosophers who dare to break new ground. Every type of ethnic minority. Every type of religious minority …and even an assortment of artificially created 'minority' groups like the Rwandan Tutsis.


    The history of mankind is absolutely riddled with senseless persecutions of those who happen to have the misfortune of being slightly different from the good, upstanding citizens of mainstream society. Thankfully, modern-day America has evolved and progressed above and beyond all that senseless oppressive nonsense…. Unless you happen to use prohibited drugs. If so, you're out of luck and now it's your turn in the barrel.

    Is there really any question that the imprisonment of harmless men and women by the hundreds of thousands for the 'criminal offense' of choosing to put prohibited substances in their own bodies (or helping others who wish to do so) will end up on the same history book page as all the other senseless persecutions listed above?
     
  2. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    Unfortunately that may not be the case. During Prohibition (of drinking alcohol), the only people who profited were the bootleggers, mainly organized crime syndicates. But thanks to the "war on drugs", the guvmint has figured out how to profit through asset confiscation. Furthermore the prisons have become profit centers (Hi, Bob Barker!) so there is actually a money incentive to send drug users to prisons rather than rehabilitation centers.

    Did you know there's a natural and rapid drug cure called ibogaine which isn't available here because the pharms won't be able to make huge profits from it?

    Our justice system is fucked up. :mad:
     
  3. <i>Unfortunately that may not be the case. During Prohibition (of drinking alcohol), the only people who profited were the bootleggers, mainly organized crime syndicates. But thanks to the "war on drugs", the guvmint has figured out how to profit through asset confiscation. Furthermore the prisons have become profit centers (Hi, Bob Barker!) so there is actually a money incentive to send drug users to prisons rather than rehabilitation centers.</i>

    It's called UNICOR, which sounds so much better than calling it slave labor camps, don't you think?

    <i>Did you know there's a natural and rapid drug cure called ibogaine which isn't available here because the pharms won't be able to make huge profits off it?</i>

    Ibogaine was my exit plan when I was on heroin, but I kept postponing my travel plans to a more civilized country to get the treatment done because I was feeling better, my creativity was at its peak, and I was making more money trading than I had in years. In the end, Big Brother 'saved' me the trip.

    I was absolutely floored when Law & Order SVU put forth a massive contribution toward ibogaine awareness a few weeks ago. Until that episode I constantly wondered why the hell I bothered watching such an completely unrealistic/fantasy world show full of cops who actually 'care'... but just that one episode absolved Law & Order of all past sins in my book.

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  4. Wonderful things I Have Learned From Having Been Fortunate Enough to Spend Most of My Life on the Receiving End of the War on Drugs
    by Patrick Kroupa
    2000

    The War on Drugs has taught me that I belong to the last tribe of niggers on the planet: drug users--an entire strata of society that it is all right to demonize, hate, harass, and incarcerate for the crime of altering my state of consciousness against the government's wishes.

    Because I am guilty of this crime, I have no rights. I may be detained, searched without cause, disrespected, have my property confiscated; and on that one occasion out of one thousand, that I'm not fast enough, aware enough, or just tired... I will be sentenced to torture--where whatever branch of law enforcement I am subject to, will throw me into a cell where I may sweat, shake, vomit, and experience withdrawal without medical attention. Apparently this is okay, because I'm just a junkie, and therefore do not have basic human rights.

    This will continue until I get before a judge and any halfway competent lawyer has the "case" against me dismissed... Because almost invariably, the "case" begins with illegal search and seizure and a violation of my "rights".

    This is fine, because I'm white and have usually had access to money; this means I am a better person, and might be worthy of reasonable legal representation. Therefore, I will not be joining the hundreds of people I have personally known, whose fate is to be ground up by the system, and dumped into prisons -- for the crime of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. In other words, a drug sweep, where the local branch of TNT has a monthly quota to meet, and will shake you down if you're unfortunate enough to be the wrong color, driving the wrong car, or they're just in a bad mood.

    Obviously, people who use drugs are a menace to society and should be thrown into prison with an interesting variety of violent offenders--except, if at all possible, with longer sentences--because, after all, the violent offenders just have some issues and things to work out; the drug users aren't even human beings. There's nothing more damaging to the entire fabric of society than a bunch of people who just smoked pot, descending on a donut shop all at once; or a heroin addict nodding out on a couch.

    If I want to stop using heroin, it's okay with the government if I take methadone--a narcotic analgesic, far more addictive than heroin, but legal. But really, I shouldn't complain; federal and state regulations for dispensing methadone are relatively enlightened. It is not yet necessary to be tattooed, branded, or relocated to a methadone maintenance camp. It's just fine if I take buprenorphine, it's even a wonderful idea if I get into a LAAM maintenance program. The fact that LAAM may cause Q-T prolongation, torsades, and kill me, is all right. Because, it's legal. And after all, it's just another sedative, it's not something that's going to cause any radical paradigm shift to take place.

    Should I ever require medical attention for any period of time longer than a few hours round-trip through an ER to have something stitched-up, making it necessary for me to inform the attending doctors that I am on narcotic analgesics; I will be treated like human garbage. While in the hospital it will take roughly 45 phone calls, 6 feet of forms signed in triplicate, and 3 days minimum, for them to finally agree to dose me with methadone at anywhere near the levels I need just to avoid acute opiate withdrawal. By which time, in addition to whatever other problem I had that caused me to enter their facility in the first place, I will be in acute opiate withdrawal.

    If I ever make the personal choice to stop using narcotics, the options presented to me will be a series of medical professionals--touting the latest miracle-treatments which don't work. These addictionologists and other drug experts, for the most part, don't know a fucking thing about addiction. They have never used any drugs. They have however, read a lot of books, written by other medical professionals who, for the most part, don't know a fucking thing about addiction.

    Reading those same books for yourself, will allow you to sum up almost all current knowledge about the psychobiological causes of addiction in about two sentences: "We have a lot of theories, but really, we know almost nothing about addiction. We don't even know why people become addicted in the first place--when others with the same genetics, environment, and psychological make-up do not; or why those who get off drugs, manage this."

    Unless I leave the country and pay ludicrous amounts of money for it -- something which most drug-dependent individuals have no way of affording--I will be denied access to the most promising breakthrough in the history of drug-treatment; namely ibogaine. For all the smoke and mirrors, game playing, and lip service paid, to the variety of reasons why ibogaine isn't of much interest to anyone -- except those who would like to stop being addicted to addictive drugs -- the bottom line is, it's a hallucinogen, and hallucinogens have a plethora of negative side-effects. Such as, for instance, the 60's. We don't want that.

    All entheogens are bad. Entheogens present the possibility for radical paradigm shifts to take place, and the user may make some revelatory discoveries about the nature of their reality. This is super-bad; much better is just going to a meeting and sharing. Most of the 12-step programs have turned into something that nearly resembles an interesting parody of what they originally were--extremely old eastern concepts for dismantling ego, specifically rewritten to apply to drug-dependent individuals who are acclimated to western culture. They have become this cult of eternal powerlessness, where you can participate in an never-ending circle-jerk of sitting around and complaining about things; fight an endless battle against a mysterious disease and never again take any chemical additives or personal responsibility for your actions. Okay, having said that, let's all go out into the parking lot and chain smoke, drink coffee and eat candy bars... Say, is it time for my meds yet?

    If I somehow manage to get off heroin and do the one thing that actually works--establish or re-establish, my own connection to spirituality, cosmic consciousness, God, whatever you'd like to call it -- ingesting my sacrament is against the law. Entheogens, crack, heroin, alcohol--no wait, not alcohol, alcohol is good for you--it's all the same shit; just another drug. I am once again either forced to leave the country, or commit a felony every time I feel a need to go to church. Apparently I have freedom of religion so long as my religion involves hanging out and talking about the experience, instead of actually having it for myself.

    The War on Drugs does not work. It cannot work. It is a war against human nature, genetics, evolution, and the attempt to take away my basic freedom as an individual to select my own state of consciousness. Because apparently I am not an adult and not fit to make these choices; therefore those who know what's best for me must attempt to legislate my state of mind. This is not fascism, this is simply the government looking out for my best interests and ensuring that I am fully vested in whatever paradigm they wish to sell.

    Despite the fact that it cannot work, it's important to invest just a few hundred trillion more dollars in the War on Drugs, because we're running out of enemies to hate... That whole entire Cold War thing has sort of faded away; there doesn't seem to be an immediate need to Enforce Democracy in any middle-eastern country; and the War on Drugs serves to galvanize people, gives them emotional investment, and presents a clear-cut right and wrong. It's important to have a clear-cut right and wrong that doesn't require anybody to think. Thinking is dangerous and undesirable. Besides, we have this theory that the War on Drugs is "winnable." This is obvious to anyone who looks at the results to date. There is no lack of drugs, basically, anywhere. The number of people using drugs has not decreased. While the street price of drugs hasn't gone up, the purity levels have steadily risen. However, hey, we sure do have a lot of people in prison! In fact, America has more people filling its prisons, than any other country on the planet. We must be doing something very right, this is great... Especially if you're in the private prison industry.

    In addition to all this, if drug prohibition were repealed, the economies of entire third-world countries which are currently propped up by all this, would suffer a severe blow; perhaps collapsing. And, of course, the people who profit by large-scale distribution of materials--which are essentially worthless, and have had their value artificially inflated to being worth more than gold dust, because they're illegal--would have to go find something else to do. Like, for instance, go get a job, or enter the slave-trading industry.

    Aside from all the noise, we actually have no real problem with drugs. They perpetuate the powerlessness of the poor, they give everybody on all sides of the issues something to do, and perhaps best of all: there are a lot of people who once had the potential to effect change, cause paradigm shifts to take place, and used to be a real pain in the ass--who have voluntarily taken themselves out and self-destructed. All thanks to drugs. What's not to like?
     
  5. DrEvil

    DrEvil

    The most insidious, most mind/potential wasting drug around is television.
     
  6. Life is just a casino, varying games with varying odds, there's nothing to win at the game of prohibited drugs.

    If one crusades for a change in the rules, the odds won't change, only the way the game is played. There'll be nothing to win.

    It a losing battle by design.

    Experience are the chips you take away from the table, worthless at a game where there is nothing to win, invaluable at the next game.
     
  7. nitro

    nitro

    I am a bit confused by something. Since I have almost zero experience with any of this, please forgive me if I sound naive or stupid in my discourse.

    When people with a drug addiction complain about the way society treats them, I am always at a loss as to what exactly they are complaining about. Let me explain.

    I am just thinking about myself and imagining that I was a drug addict. For the sake of this example, I am going to assume that I have access to money and that I don't have to work. The only reason for this assumption is I want to remove the (unnecessary) complication that would arise if I actually had to earn a living while on drugs. I understand the cases where being on drugs might actually enhance your work. For example, mathematicians are said to be people that turn strong coffee, or worse, into theorems. But let's remove this complication because constitutionally at least, you cannot have one set of laws for one people and another set for another, although this is certainly the most humane thing to do if it were possible and we were advanced enough as a civilization to realize it. But let me not digress too much.

    I assume a typical day as a drug addict would go something like this. One gets up, have sex with GF, brush my teeth, etc. Then one gets a needle or pill or bong or whatever drug dejour, and one would inject or injest or smoke the drug. I assume this is all commutative, so which I do first or last doesn't matter, e.g., do drug first, brush teeth second, etc. The point is that all of this occurs in the privacy of my own home and I am able to function without the need to call 911 every five days. I would be high and happy and creative etc, or at least not sad or whatever it is that the drug helps with. So far so good. Now, this is where my experience leaves me. I have no idea what happens now. So for example, is the drug user completely useless at this point ? Can he say drive to the grocery store and pick up some cereal, some nuts, drive home and make delicious muselix? What I am getting at is, I don't understand where the conflict with the law comes in. If I am high and I got high in the privacy of my own home, and it doesn't affect my functioning in society, like driving, paying my bills, not being a nussance, etc, how then does my running in with the law happen? If the answer is, well when you are high, you can't really drive, and by going out into society you are endagering other people, then at least you can see where the conflict arises? Heck, it is not illegal to drink alcohol until you drop dead, but e.g., don't drink and drive.

    See, what I am getting at is, if there are no dangers to others in you being high, other than it is simply against the law, who cares? Get high, go about your business, and let it be against the law. Lots of people break the law on a daily basis. For crying out loud, in some cases it has been illegal in this society to read certain books! It didn't stop anyone from reading it in the privacy if their own homes. If it does affect the safety of others or even yours at a societal cost that you are high, then I don't see the law being prejiduce at all against one particular drug.

    Is the anger in the hypocritical stance that the society (I seperate that from law on purpose) singles out certain types of drug users, and their image, and not in the actual act of getting high? Is the anger that people don't accept you on equal status as others simply because you happen to enjoy heroin instead of the socially acceptable alcohol or nicotine, and you want to be able to be free to being high on heroin without the societal putdown? Or is it that being high on heroin turns a person into a zombie (I don't know) and you want to be able to be a zombie in public? (LAMO sorry)
     
  8. Nitro, it's just not that simple. Despite my being a threat to no one, I was rounded up and locked up just like millions of other prohibition victims who came before me.

    How? The guy I was buying it from snitched on me and set up a fake buy meet. (The guy he was buying it from had snitched on him, and so on up and down the chain).

    The prohibition enforcement thugs are out there, and they're very good at what they do. They don't need to worry about solving real crimes- that's not their job. Their full attention is focused on the task of creating new political prisoners, and they have vast resources at their disposal.

    One little miserable snitch is all they need to set up a chain of events where dozens (if not hundreds) of harmless prohibition violators are exposed and rounded up like cattle.

    Next time we meet I have something to show you. The criminal complaint court documents against me detail the inner workings of the entire process.
     
  9. nitro

    nitro

    Ok, another stupid question. Is it possible (relatively easy) to make your own heroin? Why buy it at all?

     
  10. Sure, but you'd need a chemical called acetic anhydride, and trying to get your hands on that is even more risky, difficult and dangerous than trying to score heroin.

    Growing and harvesting the surprisingly <b>massive</b> quantity of raw poppy material needed to support a decent heroin habit would also be rather difficult to pull off while avoiding detection.

    Manufacturing your own opium is easy. (I may or may not have done this in the past.) Making your own acetic anhydride in order to make your own heroin? Technically possible with an extensive knowledge of chemistry, but I'm not even sure that ANY American has EVER successfully pulled it off.

    Edit: To pre-emptively answer your next question ("So why not just quietly make and use your own opium, and forget about heroin altogether?"). Opium compares to heroin like a rotting week old Kwiky-mart hot dog compares to a fine juicy gourmet steak. The opium 'high' (if you can even call it that) is sloppy, nauseating, and barely even perceptible. You'd get more out of a lousy vicodin pill than you do from raw opium.
     
    #10     Nov 26, 2009