There has to be solvency issues somewhere

Discussion in 'Economics' started by athlonmank8, Mar 9, 2020.

  1. AIG? They are getting hammered. Blast from the past. 2008 all over again.

    AMTD ETrade getting beat up too.
     
    #11     Mar 9, 2020
  2. Sig

    Sig

    Mostly bilateral over the counter trades. Since they don't clear, you need to be a creditworthy counterparty to play. Which means more than just a FICO score over 700 in this case:D
     
    #12     Mar 9, 2020
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  3. Actually, index ones do and can be traced (I don't recall the exact BBG function). Single names are bilateral, but you can get indicative runs and (more importantly), for the sake of assessing the credit health of a company bond spread should be just as good.
     
    #13     Mar 9, 2020
  4. Sig

    Sig

    Speaking of that, I never really understood why the price of a bond doesn't reflect the chance of the bond defaulting at pretty much exactly the same level of information as a CDS? I guess because the eventual bond payout is unknown where the CDS is binary?
     
    #14     Mar 9, 2020
  5. It's because of the balance sheet costs and related funding issues. CDS/bond basis is a fascinating subject that has taken down several large hedge fund managers.

    Actually, recovery assumptions are a bit easier to figure out for a bond. Single name CDS have a deliverable basket in a similar way that the bond futures do (the exact mechanics might have changed in the recent years). I recall some games surrounding CTD bonds for several defaulted issues several years ago.

    PS. I have not touched credit for some years, so some of the above might be stale or outright wrong.
     
    #15     Mar 9, 2020
  6. Amun Ra

    Amun Ra

    A few hours below $30 is not going to bankrupt an oil company.
     
    #16     Mar 9, 2020
  7. That's quite obvious as I stated in my post. With the burn rate of many of these companies they wouldn't last 6 months sub $35. DNR, MCEP, CHK, etc.
     
    #17     Mar 10, 2020
  8. No, but lack of cash reserves and inability to refinance their debts would easily do it.
     
    #18     Mar 10, 2020
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  9. Sig

    Sig

    Keep in mind that gas prices haven't collapsed and many of these are diversified or even make more off the gas side of the operation than oil.
     
    #19     Mar 10, 2020
  10. Amun Ra

    Amun Ra

    That statement holds true for pretty much every company.
     
    #20     Mar 10, 2020