I am glad that you have found your soulmates. ___ Debaser82 Registered: Aug 2008 Posts: 2929 08-09-11 04:35 PM Quote from Random.Capital: Two awesome, awesome bands. Not having welfare is, in the long run, more expensive than paying people off to stay home drinking beer. +1 This is what the hard core Austrians just dont get. They think they can just sit in their mansions paying 5% taxes which will be the money going to the cops that guard their home... Debaser82 Registered: Aug 2008 Posts: 2929 http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/10/w...tml?_r=1&pagewanted=all&src=ISMR_HP_LO_MST_FB London Riots Put Spotlight on Troubled, Unemployed Youths in Britain By LANDON THOMAS Jr. and RAVI SOMAIYA LONDON â âI came here to get my pennyâs worth,â said a man who gave his name as Louis James, 19, a slightly built participant in the widening riots that have shaken London to its core. With a touch of guilt on Tuesday, Mr. James showed off what he described as a $195 designer sweater that he said he took during looting in Camden Town, a gentrified area of north London. In recent days, young rioters and looters like Mr. James have dominated front pages and television reports around the world, prompted a recall of Parliament to a special session and forced the deployment of thousands of police officers. Widespread antisocial and criminal behavior by young and usually unemployed people has long troubled Britain. Attacks and vandalism by gangs of young people are âa blight on the lives of millions,â said a 2010 government report commissioned in the aftermath of several deaths related to such gangs. They signal, it said, âthe decline of whole towns and city areas.â The government investigation revealed that though only a quarter of such incidents were reported, 3.5 million complaints were nonetheless made to the police. An iPhone app is available to track attacks, and one enterprising inventor marketed a device, called the mosquito, that emits a high-pitched noise that can be heard only by young people as a means for store owners to keep gangs away. Politicians from both the right and the left, the police and most residents of the areas hit by violence nearly unanimously describe the most recent riots as criminal and anarchic, lacking even a hint of the antigovernment, anti-austerity message that has driven many of the violent protests in other European countries. But the riots also reflect the alienation and resentment of many young people in Britain, where one million people from the ages of 16 to 24 are officially unemployed, the most since the deep recession of the mid-1980s. The riots in London began when protesters gathered outside a north London police station after the shooting of a local man by officers. The police have long had troubled relations with racial and ethnic minorities in Britain and have sought to repair these relations, although the protesters have come from all backgrounds. Days later, in Hackney, where some of the fiercest riots took place, a young man in a gray hooded sweatshirt shouted directly into the faces of riot police officers: âYou know you all racist! You know it.â The combination of economic despair, racial tension and thuggery has âa devastating effect on communities,â said Graham Beech, an official at the crime-prevention charity Nacro. âItâs something that ordinary people see on their walks to work â street drunkenness, vandalism, intimidation â and that affects the general fear of crime.â As the British governmentâs austerity measures begin to take effect, young people will also see their chances of employment dwindling and their financial and community support cut, Mr. Beech said. âBoredom, alienation and isolation are going to be factors,â he said. In many ways, Mr. Jamesâs circumstances are typical. He lives in a government-subsidized apartment in northern London and receives $125 in jobless benefits every two weeks, even though he says he has largely given up looking for work. He says he has never had a proper job and learned to read only three years ago. His mother can barely support herself and his stepbrothers and sisters. His father, who was a heroin addict, is dead. He says he has been in and out of too many schools to count and left the educational system for good when he was 15. âNo one has ever given me a chance; I am just angry at how the whole system works,â Mr. James said. He would like to get a job at a retail store, but admits that he spends most days watching television and just trying to get by. âThat is the way they want it,â he said, without specifying exactly who âtheyâ were. âThey give me just enough money so that I can eat and watch TV all day. I donât even pay my bills anymore.â Jonathan Portes, the director of the National Institute of Economic and Social Research in London, says that Mr. Jamesâs plight reflects a broader trend here. More challenging students, Mr. Portes says, have not been receiving the attention they should as teachers, under pressure to meet educational goals, focus on children from more stable homes and those with greater abilities and social skills. Disillusioned, those who cannot keep up just drop out. Headlines here, which often describe the young people as âferal,â have been dominated in recent years by the gangsâ turn toward bullying the most vulnerable. Almost 30 percent of the victims of antisocial behavior surveyed in the government report said they had âlongstanding illness, disability or infirmity.â In one incident typical of those described in the report, in 2007 Fiona Pilkington, 38, pulled her car to the side of a secluded highway. Inside, her learning-disabled daughter, Francesca, 18, watched as Ms. Pilkington doused a pile of old clothes in the back seat with gasoline and set them on fire. The two burned to death. She was driven by a campaign of intimidation that stretched back over a decade. A gang, with some members as young as 10, pushed dog excrement through the letterbox of their modest home, beat her son and threatened to kill Francesca, who had the learning ability of a 3-year-old. The mother said she made 33 requests for help to the police, to no effect. It was this culture of impunity that forms one context for the current riots. The most vulnerable people feel trapped, said Margo Milne, 49, who uses a wheelchair part time because she has multiple sclerosis. A disabled friend of hers reported looting in a neighborhood convulsed by rioting. âBut she is worried that if she reports them to the police they will come for her,â Ms. Milne said. âAnd what would she do?â In a low-income housing complex in Hackney on Monday, an elderly woman was hospitalized after a riot in which as many as 300 people rampaged, setting fire to cars and looting stores. Two priests, one in full robes, were brought in by the police to persuade rioters to allow an ambulance to take her to safety. âWe need to get these people out,â one of the priests was heard telling a police officer. But as soon as the ambulance left, officers abandoned the neighborhood and looters struck up in earnest once more. Later, when one young man, kicking a trash can into the street nearby, was asked why he was rioting, he just shrugged. it is idiotic to pay people without a requirement to work to receive benefits. THEY WILL RIOT. tell that to RANDOM CAPITAL.
Predictable... "We needed a fightback and a fightback is under way", the Prime Minister has said after four days of riots. David Cameron said every action would be taken to restore order, with contingency plans for water cannon to be available at 24 hours' notice... Mr Cameron, speaking after a meeting of the government's Cobra emergency committee said police were authorised to take "any action necessary" to bring the situation under control. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14474393
Here comes the iron fist.... UK Minister: Will Consider New Tactics, Resources To End Riots Speaking to the BBC, May declined to rule out a host of options, including the use of water cannon, military support for the police, or a curfew. http://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/stock-ma...ll-consider-new-tacticsresources-to-end-riots UK mulls use of military on London unrest British Home Secretary Theresa May has threatened the use water cannons and even military force to quell widespread protests in London against power abuse by police. http://www.presstv.ir/detail/193059.html
PM says water cannons to be deployed: 11.17am: A couple more key points from Cameron's statement just now: ⢠Nothing is off the table ⢠Contingency are now plans in place for water cannon to be available at 24 hours' notice. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/aug/10/manchester-riots-uk-disorder-day-four-live
Those Westminster wankers have let the situation get so out of control. They will bleat like a lot of sheep about doing the right thing, full force of the law etc. There is very little respect for them anywhere. It's taken 1,000 years to weld these unruly groups togethor into a mass called a country and now that they have loosed the shackles, all hell breaks loose. The solution is not less police, by cutting the force by a third but by organising back-up. Many people are prepared to defend their neighbourhood and will still fight off the hooligans with any weapon available. If Dipstick and co. leave it too long the masses will support the hooligans. We shall see. BTW lots of bargains on eBay now ? Only 1 looter ! Don't think this madness of greed and fire can't reach the USA
Holy shit, oh my goodness. they may break out the water guns... whoa.... how aggressive. !! 150years ago, the would gut someones intestines, but now, they have to vote to spray people with water. wtf,,,, EF
It may reach here, but wont last here. We use fucking clubs,,, everybody feels rebellious until they get thier skulls cracked with a billy club. Or shot with a rubber ball going 200mph. Everyone has a plan until the get punched in the mouth--MIke Tyson EF
Sky News : "Cops To Get 'What They Need' To Combat Riots" Large shipments of common sense and balls are due to arrive in London later today......
Every football match here they deploy the water cannon.... I don't get why they waited so long for it.
Sky News "London Riots spread to Dublin" "... rumours last night that up to 3 pints of Guinness had been spilled in the past two hours in the centre of Dublin" ".... the Irish Prime Minister was said to be breaking off from his drinking session with fellow parliamentarians in the hotel immediately to go and start a drinking session elsewhere in the city." Stay tuned...