Theologians Think They’re Smarter Than Stephen Hawking

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Free Thinker, Apr 24, 2012.

  1. jem

    jem

    are you stupid or are you a troll.
    You just said you had proof from ice cores.
     
    #131     May 3, 2012
  2. You need proof that CO2 is greenhouse gas ?
     
    #132     May 3, 2012
  3. jem

    jem

    you said you had proof from ice cores you lying pos. wasting my time.
     
    #133     May 3, 2012
  4. #134     May 3, 2012
  5. jem

    jem

    Now I know why you were holding that one back. it is exactly what I think prspr (whoever the guy who was leading the science on this issue on et is) and I have been telling you is the most likely model.

    Did you note.. that as temperatures warmed in the southern hemisphere CO2 was released? That is an exact model for what I have been trying to tell you. CO2 rises after sun or currents or some other change cause warming.

    Wow... you can have all your b.s. clmatalogists and al goreons turn on their brains now. Even now the climatologists are still guessing CO2 was amplifier... but surprise surprise... it is not the cause.
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    Most scientists, according to Shakun, now believe the first factor in rising temperatures in Antarctica was not carbon dioxide emissions but a change in the Earth’s orbit, which resulted in more sunlight hitting the northern hemisphere.

    As ice sheets over North America and Europe melted, millions of gallons of freshwater flooded into the North Atlantic Ocean and disrupted the cyclical flow of ocean currents."

    This meant the current which normally brings warm water north from the tropics – and today keeps Europe mild – was blocked, and the Southern Hemisphere warmed at the expense of the Northern Hemisphere – melting Antarctic ice and drawing up CO2 from the deep water.

    Shakun says this all points towards CO2 being an amplifier for warming in the Southern Hemisphere.

    He said: “If it was an amplifier, the question is how big an amplifier? Does it explain a lot of climate change, or was it a small piece and other factors were more important? I think this research really points a strong finger at the idea that CO2 was a major player.”
     
    #135     May 3, 2012
  6. Publicus

    Publicus

    Many theologians are smarter than Hawking. Jewish Physicist Susskind bet Hawking information was not lost in black holes Hawking said yes.

    Hawking lost miserably.

    The human brain has got things wrong for tens of thousands of years, on every topic that exists. Physicists will find where they are wrong now, in the coming years, it's the nature of the biz.

    God, or whatever is the ultimate reality, doesn't get stuff wrong. Only the human brain gets stuff wrong.
     
    #136     May 3, 2012
  7. Publicus

    Publicus


    Oh yeah, get Susskind's book. Great stuff. Hawking got stuff wrong that a talented physics undergrad would not have got wrong.

    Susskind calls him out. Hawking has a personality that likes to be provocative. Sometimes the physics is there. Sometimes it's not.
     
    #137     May 3, 2012
  8. Which article did YOU read ? "You see what you want to see, you hear what you want to hear"

    . “Even more interesting, while CO2 trails Antarctica warming, it actually precedes global temperature change, which is what you would expect if CO2 is causing warming.”

    and again, what happened in the past is academic. The fact is that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and we have pumped huge quantities into the air raising the levels 30 - 40% and the temps are following suit.
     
    #138     May 3, 2012
  9. jem

    jem

    I think it is important I cut and paste the whole article... cause this will disappear and be replaced with mgw loony speak soon.

    http://www.rtcc.org/learning/research-breakthrough-co2-rises-caused-warming-that-ended-last-ice-age/


    “Now CO2 levels are rising again, but this time an equivalent increase of CO2 has occurred in only about 200 years, and there are clear signs that the planet is already beginning to respond.”

    “While many of the details of future climate change remain to be figured out, our study bolsters the consensus view that rising CO2 will lead to more global warming.”

    While previous studies only compared carbon dioxide levels to local temperatures in Antarctica, the current study aimed to reconstruct global average temperature changes, using 80 core samples from around the world.

    Looking only at local temperatures in Antarctica, warming appears to precede rising CO2, an argument often adopted by sceptics to disprove carbon dioxide’s role in global warming.

    Shakun however, says this is leaving a huge gap in the research.

    Putting all these records together into a reconstruction of global temperature shows a beautiful correlation with rising CO2 at the end of the Ice Age,” said Shakun. “Even more interesting, while CO2 trails Antarctica warming, it actually precedes global temperature change, which is what you would expect if CO2 is causing warming.”

    Most scientists, according to Shakun, now believe the first factor in rising temperatures in Antarctica was not carbon dioxide emissions but a change in the Earth’s orbit, which resulted in more sunlight hitting the northern hemisphere.

    As ice sheets over North America and Europe melted, millions of gallons of freshwater flooded into the North Atlantic Ocean and disrupted the cyclical flow of ocean currents.


    Atmospheric CO2 compared to Antarctic temperature and global mean temperature at the end of the last ice age (© Jeremy Shakun)
    This meant the current which normally brings warm water north from the tropics – and today keeps Europe mild – was blocked, and the Southern Hemisphere warmed at the expense of the Northern Hemisphere – melting Antarctic ice and drawing up CO2 from the deep water.

    Shakun says this all points towards CO2 being an amplifier for warming in the Southern Hemisphere.

    He said: “If it was an amplifier, the question is how big an amplifier? Does it explain a lot of climate change, or was it a small piece and other factors were more important? I think this research really points a strong finger at the idea that CO2 was a major player.”

    While the research strengthens the link between CO2 and the Ice Ages, Shakun believes it also reinforces the importance of addressing CO2 driven climate change today.
     
    #139     May 3, 2012
  10. jem

    jem

    lets try this again... for the mentally challenged global warming loons.
    I will break it down like a 6th grade reading comprehension quiz.

    - What came first ... warming activity or CO2 getting released from the deep? according to that article?

    What do they speculate caused the warming?

    Then is the CO2 amplification proven or is it just a speculative conclusion?

    See if you can find the answer in the article.


    answer choices for first question.

    answer

    a: screw you you are not an al goreon.

    b. "Most scientists, according to Shakun, now believe the first factor in rising temperatures in Antarctica was not carbon dioxide emissions but a change in the Earth’s orbit, which resulted in more sunlight hitting the northern hemisphere."

    c. CO2.
    d. none.
     
    #140     May 3, 2012