the why behind the illinois college shooting

Discussion in 'Politics' started by thesharpone, Feb 15, 2008.

  1. DerekD

    DerekD

    Suggest a happy medium.
     
    #41     Feb 15, 2008
  2. DerekD

    DerekD

    BTW Alexis I, care to substantiate that the shooter, Kazmierczak, is a zionist and Jewish?
     
    #42     Feb 15, 2008
  3. cmaxb

    cmaxb

    It's time people start looking at the parents. Not everything's genetic. But then, you'd have to look at their parents, and their parents, and...

     
    #43     Feb 15, 2008
  4. Polish (Kazmierczak): patronymic from the personal name Kazimierz, a compound of Polish kazic ‘to destroy’ + the Old Slavic element mir ‘peace’, ‘quiet’, ‘esteem’. This was a traditional name of Polish kings in the Middle Ages.
    http://www.ancestry.com/facts/Kazmierczak-family-history.ashx


    But of course polish kings in the Middle Ages were all jewish, weren't they? :D
     
    #44     Feb 15, 2008
  5. I don't know if there is one. Certainly gun love doesn't seem to be cutting it.

    I suppose that, as with any addiction, when you give up the thing you feel you need, it gets worse before it gets better. Most remedies have at least short-term pain and discomfort. The alternative is the path of least resistance, which just leads to more of the same. And that's exactly what you're getting.

    I know the gun love argument. And for all the sound and the fury, it doesn't appear to be working. Your children are not safer in school or on the street because you own a gun. If you could just get the flag out of your eyes...
     
    #45     Feb 15, 2008
  6. With a little treason, perhaps?

    Aside from the militia kook units in Montana and the like, how many civilian gun owners do you think actually own guns for the express purpose of "keeping the government in check." Try to keep a straight face when responding.
     
    #46     Feb 15, 2008
  7. DerekD

    DerekD

    I agree, gun ownership does not equate to safety. I own them for collection and recreation purposes. I don't feel any safer for owning them. In fact, there's a burden of responsibility impressed upon me. There are laws governing how, when and where I can use them. Then there's liability concerns.

    For instance, if an intruder gains unlawful access into my home, I can't just blast away. I have to concern myself with direction of fire, what and who is behind certain walls, when to brandish rather than engage... etc. In fact, when I think about it, my neighborhood is a little less safe with my ownership. What if I miss and the round goes through an open door or through a window and into one of my neighbor's homes? Yes. I actually do concern myself with that. Gun ownership is a serious and sober responsibility.

    As to what to do to mitigate this epidemic of gun violence, as a start, seriously make every effort to enforce the laws that are already on the books. This will close the informal loopholes such that we can deal with the real loopholes. National registry of all gun owners and their guns. I wouldn't mind submitting to this. I mean, everything else I own is registered - car, house, boat, IP addy, license, etc. Should anyone on that list be deemed unsuitable for ownership, their right to bear arms would be suspended either temporarily or indefinitely depending on the infraction or situation. What's more next of kin who own firearms should be placed on notice that someone in their family should not be allowed to gain access to their firearms.

    Additionally, liability for parents with children who use their firearms in the commission of a crime should be increased substantially.

    Lastly, waiting periods between subsequent firearm purchases should be approximately 90 days with various rational exceptions.

    My two cents. I know it won't be popular. Firearm onwership should be a right of American citizens. There must be reasonable safeguards. But an unencumbered right to bear arms is just not feasible, nor rational.
     
    #47     Feb 15, 2008
  8. Brother, why do you ask for so little?
    The Kingdom of God is much more vast than any universe known to man.
    And yet, it is within you and you know it not.
    Universes were made as alternatives to the Kingdom.
    Whereas the Kingdom is within your magnitude,
    universes seem to be outside of your smallness.
    So these are opposite of your reality.
    In universes, you seem unable to control anything.
    In the Kingdom, your will is all.
    The Kingdom is your natural state.
    Universes are a joke, like when Monte Python says, "And now for something completely different".
    There is a reason all universes seem out of control.
    They are completely different from the Kingdom.
    They are indeed controlled.
    It is a riddle who or what is controlling them, and how.
    The answer may shock you.

    Jesus
     
    #48     Feb 15, 2008
  9. Holy batpoles, Robin. Someone, somewhere put a surname in a database and attached a label.
     
    #49     Feb 16, 2008
  10. http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55288

    25 years murder-free
    in 'Gun Town USA'
    Crime rate plummeted after law
    required firearms for residents

    WorldNetDaily.com

    Kennesaw, Ga., City Hall


    As the nation debates whether more guns or fewer can prevent tragedies like the Virginia Tech Massacre, a notable anniversary passed last month in a Georgia town that witnessed a dramatic plunge in crime and violence after mandating residents to own firearms.

    In March 1982, 25 years ago, the small town of Kennesaw responding to a handgun ban in Morton Grove, Ill. unanimously passed an ordinance requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun. Since then, despite dire predictions of "Wild West" showdowns and increased violence and accidents, not a single resident has been involved in a fatal shooting as a victim, attacker or defender.

    The crime rate initially plummeted for several years after the passage of the ordinance, with the 2005 per capita crime rate actually significantly lower than it was in 1981, the year before passage of the law.

    Prior to enactment of the law, Kennesaw had a population of just 5,242 but a crime rate significantly higher (4,332 per 100,000) than the national average (3,899 per 100,000). The latest statistics available for the year 2005 show the rate at 2,027 per 100,000. Meanwhile, the population has skyrocketed to 28,189.

    By comparison, the population of Morton Grove, the first city in Illinois to adopt a gun ban for anyone other than police officers, has actually dropped slightly and stands at 22,202, according to 2005 statistics. More significantly, perhaps, the city's crime rate increased by 15.7 percent immediately after the gun ban, even though the overall crime rate in Cook County rose only 3 percent. Today, by comparison, the township's crime rate stands at 2,268 per 100,000.

    This was not what some predicted.

    In a column titled "Gun Town USA," Art Buchwald suggested Kennesaw would soon become a place where routine disagreements between neighbors would be settled in shootouts. The Washington Post mocked Kennesaw as "the brave little city soon to be pistol-packing capital of the world." Phil Donahue invited the mayor on his show.

    Reuters, the European news service, today revisited the Kennesaw controversy following the Virginia Tech Massacre.

    Police Lt. Craig Graydon said: "When the Kennesaw law was passed in 1982 there was a substantial drop in crime and we have maintained a really low crime rate since then. We are sure it is one of the lowest (crime) towns in the metro area." Kennesaw is just north of Atlanta.

    The Reuters story went on to report: "Since the Virginia Tech shootings, some conservative U.S. talk show hosts have rejected attempts to link the massacre to the availability of guns, arguing that had students been allowed to carry weapons on campus someone might have been able to shoot the killer."

    Virginia Tech, like many of the nation's schools and college campuses, is a so-called "gun-free zone," which Second Amendment supporters say invites gun violence especially from disturbed individuals seeking to kill as many victims as possible.

    Cho Seung-Hui murdered 32 and wounded another 15 before turning his gun on himself.
    http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55288
     
    #50     Feb 16, 2008