The Wedge Strategy For A Return to the Dark Ages

Discussion in 'Politics' started by 2cents, Nov 18, 2006.

  1. These "gentlemen" aren't interested in an intelligent discussion about any substantive issue, and I don't have time for silly games intended to bait me into rearguing the same points over and over.

    If I read an opposing argument supported by credible evidence, I may rejoin the discussion. But, at the moment, it's all the same recycled noise, over and over.
     
    #61     Dec 4, 2006
  2. It doesn't surprise me that this is the conclusion you came to after examining our respective posts. It speaks to your lack of critical thinking, which of course is a prerequisite to belief in ghosts and goblins.
     
    #62     Dec 4, 2006
  3. my xmas gift to the "discovery institute" / ID fedayeens
     
    #63     Dec 18, 2006
  4. gblnking

    gblnking

    I guess what bothers me about all of these discussions on the subject of ID is that the ID’ers are willing to trade their beliefs in God for that of space aliens just to try to get their beliefs assimilated into our daily lives. If you’re a religious person then proudly say so. Go to church/synagogue on Saturdays and Sundays. Wear your religious symbols and bask in your holidays. But as a single father who comes home from his second job late at night and goes through every sheet of his teenage daughters homework I ask you, ladies and gentlemen, please let my daughter be educated. It is hard enough for her as she prepares for college in which she isn’t just competing against her fellow classmates but her generation is competing on a global field. Let her learn fact not fiction; let her be the one to decide when and where to go for her spiritual needs. I will gladly take her to any church or synagogue of her choosing (well…maybe not the Jehovah Witness’s or Mormons) if she wishes. God has a place in people’s lives, but not in public education. Teach your children about God. Teach your children about space aliens, but leave the reading writing and arithmetic for the schools. Two plus two equals four, period. It’s not two plus two equals four because God (or space aliens) divined it
     
    #64     Dec 19, 2006
  5. jem

    jem

    I am religious and i hold a graduate degree. I realize that I do not have proof of God.

    I also realize that science does not have proof of no God.

    I would not ask public schools to instill a belief in God or the absence of God, unless or until there is proof one way or another.

    Right now there are scientists with real degrees, who do not believe in God, stating that the universe we live in looks designed.

    What is wrong with teaching children that there is a debate about whether the universe is designed or random?
     
    #65     Dec 19, 2006
  6. gblnking

    gblnking

    I'm pretty sure a person could scare up a few scientists to debate the "Rockwell incident" or a few who debated the validity of the crop circles back in the eighties. I'd sure hate to have either theory argued in high school. High school is a preparation for college. It has specific requirements that are fairly universal for acceptance into most higher education. Let them debate ID all they want in colleges where the kids can decide for themselves to attend such lectures or not. High school is entirely to important for a person’s future to be wasted on theories that really have no tangible debatable issues to begin with.
     
    #66     Dec 19, 2006
  7. Amen, brother. Amen.
     
    #67     Dec 19, 2006
  8. #68     Dec 19, 2006
  9. jem

    jem

    so I guess if the chair of the physics dept of Stanford and one of the founders of string theory said that our universe looks designed you would not want to hear about that in your high school.

    You would not want to consider the debate that the chances of our universe being randomly created are astronimically low, and that according to astrophysicists that pretty much means we must be part of an almost infinite amount of universes to come to the conclusions that we are not designed.
     
    #69     Dec 19, 2006
  10. gblnking

    gblnking

    My ex-father-in-law was a man who followed people of the likes of Art Bell. He would buy the conspiracy magazines from the grocery check out lines and read them like they were the bible. We literally argued for hours about his belief that the moon landing was a government hoax just to fool the American public into believing that we were ahead of the Russians in science. He was a very charismatic man and would come up with these elaborate arguments and present a slew of “scientists and scientific evidence” to back him up. He very much believes that the world is controlled by a secret society and again he’ll back it up with plenty of theories and people to back up his arguments. Should these “theories” be debated in our public high schools? How about if along with math, English, history, and science we add the Devinci code as a core curriculum class.

    These types of theories make for great literature and should be debated. But debate them in college where young minds have a bit more maturity (or at least we hope hey have) and can weed through the absolutely ridiculous to the more plausible alternative scientific idea’s. Leave high school for building foundations.
     
    #70     Dec 20, 2006