Go ahead and ask Bickz yourself, whether he believes there is GoD behond the gOd which makes this world. You will find his attitude similar to yours regarding any gOd whatsoever. And you will find that you both meet on common ground: that the ground you stand on is very real indeed...to the point that it is fairly sacred to both of you. You will find that my words are consistent. If you read through my last few posts, you will see that I have pretty much defined atheism before the OP made his opening comments...which reveal his current mind-set. Atheism is a manifestation of the idea of patricide. This world arises in the mind of the Son of God as a concept which abolishes his Father. *Our Father* is currently abolished within the OP's current frame of mind. I point it out as a gift, for his benefit. If he will not accept the gift, the gift will be held for a time he is ready to accept it. Jesus
=================== Good one BickZ; & a Christian CPA said the IRS milage gift increase was an election year gift
======================== Sen Roman; You ask some thoughtful tough questions, wuill answer some of your tough ones. 1]You think maybe the Word of God is more important than a mere mortals opinion?????Frankly you dont have to call yourself a Christian to be saved-believers in Lord Jesus, in Romania are called ''repenters'' 2]Do you think Ann Coulter is a woman hater, because she thinks men are better leaders, in police dept than women????Do you think men are ''inferior ''to women because men can not be mothers????? Actually i think men are inferior to women in being mothers,LOL 7]Do you believe in capital punishment???; 7b] believe in capital punishment for punks[In Israel] also?? Yes & yes. You ever read the OT punks insulting the Hebrew prophet ,Elijah''Go up you bald head, go up you bald head!!!. 7c]He turned & cursed them in the name of the LORD; she bears killed those kids KJV calls then ''children'' [8] Do you believe President Trueman was right to nuke Hiroshima; Sure he was right,same with Israel destroying all her enemies.God put limits on warfare, do not destroy the fruit trees, Old Testament says... Actually I think you are right about shellfish being an abomination; even if we are both wrong on that [probably not]. Medical DRs especially Christian & Jews can tell you how unhealthy those bottom sucker-bottopm cleaners are. Also , are you saying God was wrong to destroy Sodom??; and what think ye about when God destroyed everyone but Noah & family & animals??? Bottom line,God would prefer not to destroy the sodomites;Jesus healed the lepers[outcasts], & more than a few aids ridden sodomites heve been healed & saved .Are you aware of that???? Love, murray
Seneca, Many of us here have long placed rcanfiel/TraderZones on ignore, because it is impossible to use reason against the willfully unreasonable. He has long demonstrated that he plays dirty and engages in personal attacks when backed in a corner.
It's a challenge to articulate just how confused your mind is at the moment. Have you, per chance, been reading the bible or listening to a southern accent on the radio? Don't worry, this is what salvation is for. Your day will come. Jesus
I'm no good until I get my morning grail. Mine is a way of looking at the world that applies to all. It explains why "we" all seem to be "here", and how all may exodus what is essentially bondage and imprisonment. The exodus is slowed down somewhat by idolatry, namely, the worship of a false gOd...the product of a philosophical edifice popularized by the chief priests among Israel, and perpetuated by chief priests among Christians. The chief priests in this thread are: Blickz Wallet TraderZones/rcanfiel murray t turtle jem AAAintheBeltway This is the "Lord, Lord" crowd. These are the equivalent to the moneychangers in the temple. They are selling sacrificial lambs to the innocent for an exhorbitant price...in the name of GoD. Selling guilt, they confuse innocence with price. By confusing innocence and guilt, they are selling out to a false gOd instead. They have been kind enough to expose their thoughts to the light. So I have been kind enough to examine them for what they are...false...mythical...unreal...confusing...atheistic...meaningless...insignificant. This may explain why I am being ignored by all of them. If you are not already on their ignore list, I challenge you to ask them yourself, whether they believe in God beyond the gOd which makes this world. Let us see just what kind of "believers" they really are. "Wolves in sheeps clothing" means the outward appearance is politically correct. But if you listen to anything they say, death will devour you, lick its lips, and look for the next buyer of foolishness. Jesus
I don't remember people attacking Palin over her faith. She was targeted mainly because she's an intellectual lightweight. While I share the feeling that people of all faiths and who dare believe in a higher supreme force are systemically attacked by the ultra orthodox liberal church followers, I do not view this as a Republican- Democrat thing. Biden is a practicing Catholic and I've watched many of his interviews (secular shows, Bill Maher) where he downright aggressively defended the right of the people to believe.
On what issues are Christians being "attacked"? On each one I suspect Christians have launched an attack of their own previously.
Your treatise is closer to the truth, though not entirely free from the misunderstandings about me. I am about the end of sacrifice through mercy. I do not advocate sacrifice. The crucifixion was not a sacrifice or about sacrifice. It was a demonstration...the "proof" of a thesis: the innocent mind cannot suffer. Likewise, the resurrection was the "proof" of a thesis: the Son of God cannot be destroyed. As for the Infinite and Transcendental Principle, you are close to the truth. A man cannot actually be God, and does not symbolize God at all...nor can God become man. Man is imaginary, in the mind of the Son, symbolizing the attributes of God...antithetically...opposed to God. When the imaginary construct is layed aside, the symbol can be used to speak parables and act in parody of truthful attributes of God. Truthfully, God is life, and cannot die or be destroyed. So the bodily symbol, dedicated to the truth, would take on attributes of the truth. Such attributes would include invulnerability, lack of suffering, and an inability to "die". It is primarily one's desire for the world...desire to be an imaginary symbol...that must "die" in order for that symbol to take on attributes of truth. That is because the world is utterly opposite truth. So that must "die" first. This is done for one's own best interest. But that best interest includes the whole world...because the whole world is the expression of a confused, self-denigrating Self. Salvation is about returning such mind to sanity. Sane, such Being knows itself as the totality of everything real, whereas, the world expresses the totality of everything unreal. The world is a gift to self the Being gives to itself as a joke. I have called the Being, Son of God, Christ. But you could also call it Brahman. The point of laying down one's individual, imaginary will, is to clearly see the truth, live it, and pass it on to the next generation of truth seekers as the symbol of individuality makes exodus from the unreal expression of Self. To become a "man", Self must *sacrifice* itself, unmercifully. That is why mercy is the end of man, and the return to Self. So, to "lay down your life" is not sacrifice, but mercy to your Self. If there is a sense of sacrifice involved, it won't work, and you will be unable to "lay down" the unmerciful expression of one's Self. And that is because you must always be given what you want [no sacrifice]. And if it seems a sacrifice to lay down the imaginary Self, then it means you really don't want to do it. And if you don't want to do it, then it can't be done. That is why one's desire for the world must "die" first. This is accomplished by a process of letting go. Letting go is assisted by honestly looking at the world for what it is, and what it is not. You will find that you really don't want it...that it is costing your Self dearly. Man is a mask over the face of Self. The "awakening" is the unmasking. Jesus