The Wall of Stupid

viruscore1 · Nov 29, 2019

We don't need no stinkin wall, when we have democrats protecting us.

Cuddles · Nov 29, 2019

viruscore1 said:
We don't need no stinkin wall, when we have democrats protecting us.

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It's like you take pride in being stupid:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nancy-pelosi-wall-violate-rights/

First of all, this is not a quote from Nancy Pelosi. The meme has been shared all over social media, but despite its near-ubiquity, we have yet to encounter any citation whatsoever, or a single posting stating where or when Pelosi might have given this statement; further, no video or audio evidence has been presented to confirm that Pelosi used this phrasing, and we found no record from any credible news source. (There is also already a nearly 700-mile-long barrier at the border, a fact that Pelosi, a California politician, knows very well.)

This fake quote originally appeared in August 2017, after U.S. President Donald Trump threatened a government shutdown in order to secure funding for a border wall. Nancy Pelosi released a statement in response which labeled the wall “immoral” (emphasis ours):

viruscore1 · Nov 29, 2019

Here4money said:
It's like you take pride in being stupid:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nancy-pelosi-wall-violate-rights/

First of all, this is not a quote from Nancy Pelosi. The meme has been shared all over social media, but despite its near-ubiquity, we have yet to encounter any citation whatsoever, or a single posting stating where or when Pelosi might have given this statement; further, no video or audio evidence has been presented to confirm that Pelosi used this phrasing, and we found no record from any credible news source. (There is also already a nearly 700-mile-long barrier at the border, a fact that Pelosi, a California politician, knows very well.)

This fake quote originally appeared in August 2017, after U.S. President Donald Trump threatened a government shutdown in order to secure funding for a border wall. Nancy Pelosi released a statement in response which labeled the wall “immoral” (emphasis ours):
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You are admitting democrats and libtards are for the wall then. Wow you're easy to bait...

Cuddles · Nov 29, 2019

viruscore1 said:
You are admitting democrats and libtards are for the wall then. Wow you're easy to bait...
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dozu888 · Nov 30, 2019

exGOPer said:
These are reasons why the wall won't work, and it was put together by the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank:

Walls don’t work. Illegal immigrants have tunneled underneath and/or erected ramps up and down walls to simply drive over them. People find a way. When East Germany erected its wall, it created a military zone, staffed by booted, machine-gun carrying guards ready to shoot to kill. Yet thousands managed to make it to West Germany anyway. More to the point, do we really want to model ourselves after communist East Germany?

Most illegal immigrants are “overstayers.” They come to the US legally — for vacations, business, to study, etc. — and then STAY past their visas. By 2012, overstayers accounted for 58% (THE MAJORITY!) of all unauthorized immigrants. A wall is meaningless here!

Walls have little impact on drugs being brought in to the US. According to the DEA, almost all drugs come in through legal points of entry, hidden in secret containers and/or among legit goods in tractor-trailers. A wall will have little to no impact on the influx of drugs into our country.

It’s environmentally impractical. Walls have a hard time making it through extreme weather. For example, in 2011, a flood in Arizona washed away 40 feet of STEEL fencing. Torrential rains and raging waters do serious damage. Also, conservative sources generally do not address the environmental harm that walls create, but there is plenty of documentation available that show its potential for irreparable damage to both plant and animal life.

A wall would forces the U.S. government to take land from private citizens in eminent domain battles. Private citizens own much of the land slated for the wall. The costs of the government snatching private land — and the legal battles that would ensue — are incalculable.

Border patrol agents don’t like concrete or steel walls because they block surveillance capabilities. In other words, they can’t mobilize correctly to meet challenges. So in many ways, a wall makes their job more difficult.

Border patrol agents say, “Walls are meaningless without agents and technology to back them up.” Are we prepared to pour countless billions annually — after the wall is built — to create a nearly 2,000 mile, militarized 24-hour surveillance border operation? Because according to patrol agents, that’s the only way a wall would work. Again, are we really, going to use East Germany, a brutal communist state, as our model here?

Are we seriously going to model ourselves on East Germany and their wall? A 1979 celebration in E. Berlin.

Where walls have been built, there was “no discernable impact on the influx of unauthorized aliens.” In other words, they came in elsewhere, primarily where natural barriers such as water or mountainous regions precluded a wall.

An unintended consequence is that a wall blocks farmworkers from EXITING when their invaluable seasonal work is done. Farmers are against the wall because it makes getting cheap seasonal labor almost impossible as few American citizens want or can even do those jobs. And if seasonal worker do get in, a wall makes it harder for them to leave! A wall traps migrant farm laborers in our country.

Trump’s $5 billion is a laughable drop in the bucket for what would ACTUALLY be needed. For example, according to the Cato Institute: An estimate for a border wall area that only covered 700 miles was originally 1.2 billion. How much did it REALLY cost? SEVEN BILLION. And that’s only for 700 miles. Whatever we think it’s going to cost, experience shows us we have to multiply it by more than 500%.

According to MIT engineers, the wall would cost $31.2 billion. Homeland Security estimates it at $22 billion. Given the pattern of spending mentioned in number 10 (plus Murphy’s Law), that means we’re really talking about pouring endless billions into something that doesn’t even work. And, of course, we taxpayers will be footing the bill, not Mexico. Given all the drawbacks, is that REALLY the best use of our taxes?

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replace the 'wall' with 'your front door' and they will all be valid right? but why do you keep your door locked? why not just tear it down and anyone can walk in... it doesn't work anyway.

viruscore1 · Nov 30, 2019

dozu888 said:
replace the 'wall' with 'your front door' and they will all be valid right? but why do you keep your door locked? why not just tear it down and anyone can walk in... it doesn't work anyway.
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Democrats want others to open their doors but not theirs.

Cuddles · Nov 30, 2019

dozu888 said:
replace the 'wall' with 'your front door' and they will all be valid right? but why do you keep your door locked? why not just tear it down and anyone can walk in... it doesn't work anyway.
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That's a non sequitur analogy

dozu888 · Nov 30, 2019

Here4money said:
That's a non sequitur analogy
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Bottom line is the dems want their vote base hence open boarders.

I said before neither side is an angel. But the GOP land grabs which just happens to be a net plus for the empire, while the Dems just keep selling out the country for votes... open boarders, free shit for everyone including illegals.

walls are ineffective? they are sure cheaper than the billions of social benefits to the illegals. and the Dems are offering no solutions either.

Cuddles · Nov 30, 2019

dozu888 said:
Bottom line is the dems want their vote base hence open boarders.

I said before neither side is an angel. But the GOP land grabs which just happens to be a net plus for the empire, while the Dems just keep selling out the country for votes... open boarders, free shit for everyone including illegals.

walls are ineffective? they are sure cheaper than the billions of social benefits to the illegals. and the Dems are offering no solutions either.
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Illegals don't vote, no matter how much fake news you listen to.

dozu888 · Nov 30, 2019

Here4money said:
Illegals don't vote, no matter how much fake news you listen to.
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Omg.

How about they come in and take advantage of the asylum loop hole and get in front of the queue of those who came legally. So the dems allow them in and there is a good chance they vote for the dems

How about these people come in and give birth to children who automatically get citizen?

How did California turn blue? Only with domestic and legal immigrants?

I said before... the biggest reason that people hang on to the left is they can't handle the truth... these things are so obvious and really only leave you 2 options - you either ignore in denial or you are ignorant... with all due respect.

This is not your JFK dem party no more... the party has gone completely rogue, hijacked by AOC+3 with all the socialist policies that offer no solutions to any real challenges of the country... all they have is 'trump bad'.

come on over to this side.