The Wall of Stupid

Discussion in 'Politics' started by exGOPer, Jan 2, 2019.

  1. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    And I'd rather not wager with people's lives by submitting to Trump and his supporters unless we get greater in return.
     
    #131     Jan 7, 2019
  2. TJustice

    TJustice

    It is time for a compromise and comprehensive deal.


     
    #132     Jan 7, 2019
  3. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    I've said before that the 5 billion for DACA amnesty is a "fair" deal. It's a dumb waste of money, but worth the relief for those kids and a net economic positive if that's the compromise, and at least a fence is better than a wall. The new Trump ask for the private prison beds is a deal breaker though.

    It won't happen if he keeps taking advice from Dobbs and Coulter though. At least fox is switching the narrative now.
     
    #133     Jan 7, 2019
  4. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    It was time for that when Obama tried for a comprehensive immigration deal but republicans weren't interested.Take that deal which included a pathway to citizenship for all and you get your 5 billion.If not we wait for 2021.
     
    #134     Jan 7, 2019
  5. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    What is this we? Are you part of the undocumented population putting their lives on hold?
     
    #135     Jan 7, 2019
  6. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    I am an American who wants whats best for the undocumented population but not willing to be screwed by Republicans for it.Unlike you I would make republicans include all of the undocumented population in any wall deal not just some of them.
     
    #136     Jan 7, 2019
  7. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    So sacrifice the whole lot rather than save a few? . So all those kids who could've had a future, made a livelihood and paid taxes be damned? Let them fend for themselves and sling dope instead? Give them residency and win people's hearts by what they'll achieve, pave the way for broader reform. Comprehensive Immigration reform is a pipe dream for the next decade, as sadly as it is to admit, public perception was in much better shape during the Bush years and even then it was an uphill battle that wasn't won.

    The dems. will not put immigration reform at the fore front when/if they take both Houses and the presidency, Trump's assured there are many more problems that will need fixing and will take priority (Healthcare being one of them again). How much did Obama get done when he had everything? Democrats always try to compromise and will lose as a result, the amount of obstruction will ensure nothing gets moving and immigration will be at the back of the line as always.
     
    #137     Jan 7, 2019
  8. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    So give republicans their biggest immigration wish while the super majority of the undocumented population would still be fucked? I don't agree and would not make that deal.A Dem president can use another EO for dreamers and order ice to lay off of them as Obama did.
     
    #138     Jan 7, 2019
  9. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    Blame evil racist republicans for that,not democrats who don't want to to trade steak for crumbs.If we give them a wall for daca we don't have much to negotiate with when it comes to the rest of the undocumented population which is bigger than the dreamer population.
     
    #139     Jan 7, 2019
  10. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    http://www.ct4adream.org/

    https://law.yale.edu/studying-law-y...dvocacy-clinic/connecticut-students-dream-c4d



    https://ctmirror.org/2019/01/07/tra...rder-wall-appears-unpopular-way-end-shutdown/

    Camila Bortoleto, 30, who, with her twin sister Carolina, founded CT Students for a Dream, said she would not support trading protections for young immigrants for a border wall.


    “We would not want to trade our lives for the lives of other immigrants,” Bortoletto said. “It’s not a real payoff.”
     
    #140     Jan 8, 2019