The VIX Thread: Discuss using VIX for long/short bias (June 2022)

Discussion in 'Technical Analysis' started by KCalhoun, Jun 12, 2022.

  1. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    I think it’s illegal to hold both long and short futures. It’s considered wash trading.
     
    #21     Jun 13, 2022
  2. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Nope. Long in one account, short in another is perfectly legal.

    There is no such wash rule in futures.
     
    #22     Jun 13, 2022
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  3. M.W.

    M.W.

    Depends on which entity holds the accounts. If same then it's self trading. Otherwise every hedge fund and especially hft firms would do it.

     
    #23     Jun 13, 2022
  4. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Every hedge fund and HFT has multiple accounts. And so do many individuals - if they can swing it.
     
    #24     Jun 13, 2022
  5. M.W.

    M.W.

    My point exactly, and they are not allowed to hold long and short positions simultaneously if the accounts are held by the same entity.

     
    #25     Jun 13, 2022
  6. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    So they name one twiddledee LLP and the other tweddledum LLP. Big chit.

    As I said perfectly legal. That IS the point.
     
    #26     Jun 13, 2022
  7. Zwaen

    Zwaen

    Sounds a bit like, "if instrument/equity moves x% in direction p is higher the move will extend itself". I think you can make your strategy simpler.
     
    #27     Jun 13, 2022
  8. M.W.

    M.W.

    Yeah unfortunately, but that does not apply to retailers who are behind either accounts. And that was the thread topic.

     
    #28     Jun 13, 2022
  9. M.W.

    M.W.

    Of course, he is simply trading momentum just does not realize it. All he does at the moment is overpaying commissions to his broker.

     
    #29     Jun 13, 2022
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  10. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    WTF are you talking about.

    An individual just like a hedge fund can have two separate accounts. I have, right now.

    You could too (wait you a Canucklehead, maybe not) if you stop playing with your pips and got real.
     
    #30     Jun 13, 2022