Asked who won Tuesday’s debate, voters were split 50-50 over whether it was J.D. Vance or Tim Walz, according to a Politico/Focaldata snap poll of likely voters conducted just after the two faced off in a studio in New York City. “Democrats overwhelmingly sided with Walz, while Republicans picked Vance as the winner. Walz had a commanding advantage with independents, 58 percent of whom sided with the Minnesota governor while 42 percent gave Vance the edge.”
Now that the debate is over, it is time for the fact-checks. Vance seems to spew continuously lies, just like his running mate Trump. Fact-checking Tim Walz and JD Vance's VP debate https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fact-checking-tim-walz-jd-vances-vp-debate/story?id=114405195
Based on the media coverage this morning, the inability of Vance to directly answer the question if Trump lost the 2020 election is the most significant moment of the debate. As well as the moment which may have turned off numerous undecided voters. JD Vance's VP debate victory over Tim Walz was within reach. Then he fumbled the ending. https://www.businessinsider.com/jd-vance-donald-trump-january-6-vp-debate-tim-walz-2024-10 Sen. JD Vance had a good night during the vice presidential debate. But the GOP vice presidential nominee fumbled on the subject of the 2020 election. Vance refused to give a direct answer when asked if former President Donald Trump lost the 2020 race. Near the close of the vice presidential debate, Sen. JD Vance of Ohio was on the verge of capping off a fantastic night for a Republican ticket that has been lost in a news cycle of its own making over false claims about Haitian migrants eating people's pets in Springfield, Ohio. And then January 6, 2021, and the 2020 election came up. Vance knew what he had to do. Former Vice President Mike Pence wasn't on the stage for Tuesday night's vice presidential debate because he refused to help Trump overturn the election. Pence eventually conceded the loss. Vance couldn't bring himself to do it. Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, who at times appeared nervous, rushed, and sometimes flubbed his words during the debate, sensed the opportunity. (Their exchange really needs to be read in full.) Walz: This was a threat to our democracy in a way that we had not seen. And it manifested itself because of Donald Trump's inability to say, he is still saying he didn't lose the election. I would just ask that. Did he lose the 2020 election? Vance: Tim, I'm focused on the future. Did Kamala Harris censor Americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020 COVID situation? Walz: That is a damning. That is a damning non-answer. Vance refused to give an answer to a basic question about the 2020 election, where Trump lost. Amid a debate overshadowed by Midwest Niceness, Walz was on the attack. "This is not a debate. It's not anything anywhere other than in Donald Trump's world, because, look, when Mike Pence made that decision to certify that election, that's why Mike Pence isn't on this stage," Walz said. "What I'm concerned about is where is the firewall with Donald Trump? Where is the firewall if he knows he could do anything, including taking an election, and his vice president's not going to stand to it? That's what we're asking you, America. Will you stand up? Will you keep your oath of office even if the president doesn't? And I think Kamala Harris would agree." Responding to Walz, Vance said Trump "peacefully gave over power on January the 20th." However, Trump refused to go to Joe Biden's presidential inauguration; as a result of the Capitol riot, there was a significant military presence around the center of government and throughout the nation's capital; some members of Congress even later admitted that they wore bullet-proof vests. Vance did help himself and former President Donald Trump throughout the night. The Ohio Republican worked cast himself in a more sympathetic light, trying to undercut weeks of coverage over his "childless cat ladies" remarks. A CNN instant poll of registered voters who watched the poll found that Vance dramatically improved his favorability. (It's worth noting that by design, these polls aren't nearly as high quality as a typical election survey.) But it's one of the night's final moments that could come back to bite Vance. A Harris campaign aide confirmed reports that Vance's answer is already being turned into an attack ad.
Do not forget that some of those immigrants who crossed the Southern border are now legal immigrants and eligible to vote. I met a few when visiting friends in Kentucky near Fort Campbell area and some in the Little Village of the Chicago, Illinois area. I was surprised that some of them traveled across the border (being escorted by relatives who are legal immigrants from the U.S. who've been living & paying taxes in the U.S. for more than 10 years). In other words, they're now legally eligible to vote. Not one of them is voting for Trump. ------- Yeah, Vance had it locked up but fumbled the ball at the goal line in the last 15 minutes when Walz (not the moderators) asked him about his opinion on January 6th, using alternate electors to override the vote of the people et cetera. Walz almost lost his cool and turned red in the face when Vance refused to give an answer or maybe it was at that moment that Walz realized Vance can not be trusted with the vote of the people. Simply, Trump schooled Vance very well in the BIG LIE bullshit that has many Americans believing they're a threat to Democracy. wrbtrader
Your experience is different than my local experience in the Raleigh-Durham area (the Research Triangle Park area of North Carolina). Most of our immigrants locally came into the U.S. on H1-B visas, eventually got green cards, and then became naturalized citizens. These immigrants are from India and other countries which provide IT talent to the U.S. They flew to the U.S. and did not cross the southern land border. I find that a good number of these professional immigrants plan to vote for Trump. Especially individuals who strongly support Modi in India. Most are strongly opposed to illegal immigration -- many times more so than typical U.S. born citizens in my observation. Basically, in some way they desire to slam the door shut on others immigrating. Of course, these professional immigrants are very different than the poor immigrants who cross the U.S. southern border on foot. In some ways, it is like trying to compare two totally different things. Now if I wander out into the rural North Carolina farming countryside a few counties over then I will probably encounter immigrants who came from central America and Mexico originally and are more likely to vote for Harris after becoming naturalized citizens -- but their numbers are heavily outweighed by Republicans in rural red counties in our state.
Vance edges Walz in overnight polling of VP debate performances https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4911257-jd-vance-tim-waz-vp-post-debate-polls/
It's all about Election Day after VP debate snoozefest changed nothing It was a debate that changed zero minds, no home runs were hit, and no flubs were made. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...ay-after-VP-debate-snoozefest-changed-nothing