The usual question: how is it possible?

Discussion in 'Automated Trading' started by travis, Jul 18, 2009.

  1. r4Nd.m

    r4Nd.m

    33 strategies?!

    In terms of feeling guilty, it depends what your intentions are. When I retire, i'd like to have enough to start a non profit grocery store & restaurant, volunteer my time, etc...
     
    #51     Jul 21, 2009
  2. travis

    travis

    Yes, 33. I don't want to say what I want to do, because I don't want to be disapproved or get the thread off topic (I want to do drugs, but legally - I will go to Amsterdam and smoke marijuana for a month).

    Here's an idea for the 34th strategy. I gave access to my paper trading account to a friend of mine who knows nothing about trading (but very intelligent), and with 30k (virtual), I told him to try to make some money with the futures I am trading. He made 1600 $ in the first 24 hours. I asked him if he could tell me what was his idea to make those good trades. He said "I wait for something to go up too much, and then wait for it to start coming down" and then he goes short (he doesn't even know what it means to "go short", but I told him to sell when he thinks it will go down). This sounds like the "oscillator" type of thing, something someone told me about in a private message. What system can we make out of this? Any advice?

    Recapitulating: I wait for something to go up too much, and then to start coming down, then I go short (and viceversa). This needs some thinking. Something good could come out of this. If anyone wants to work on a system together, we could start a thread and build a system based on this concept, "open source" type of thing.
     
    #52     Jul 21, 2009
  3. r4Nd.m

    r4Nd.m

    A valid endeavor ;) I approve. Make sure you try the glass/bubble hash
     
    #53     Jul 21, 2009
  4. travis

    travis

    Now the strategy could work both ways, but let's worry about short, to make it more simple.

    How do I measure "go up too much"?
    In a simple way, without using "oscillators", I would use a series of consecutive higher closes (hourly, or any timeframe).

    How do I measure "start to come down"?
    One lower close.

    So for simplicity we will use hourly closes. 5 straight higher closes is "goes up too much" and a lower close is "starts to come down".

    Then I need to pick a market that ranges all the time like the EUR. Not the CL because that will run me over and keep on going up. Or I will simply test all markets and see where it works best (and make sure that's not chance).

    Then I need to pick a time where there tends to be reversals, which should increase my chances. The system is complicated and simple enough and it should work.

    Right market, right time, and "went up too much" and "has started to come down". Then I exit via take profit or stoploss. This could be my 34th system.
     
    #54     Jul 21, 2009
  5. Giving back is a worthwhile endeavour. The ignore button helps a lot (except with 50-aliases-and-dynamic-IPs like cold/c-kid).

    Perhaps you can also identify newbies who post and directly offer thoughts as well. But the above comments come with the territory.
     
    #55     Jul 21, 2009
  6. heech

    heech

    I didn't read this thread thoroughly, but based on the first page alone, it sounds like the OP is trading a martingale.

    If so, you're playing Russian roulette. There is only one possible outcome, and it's not pretty.
     
    #56     Jul 21, 2009
  7. Thanks. I probably need a higher threshold like you say for negativity before hitting ignore. I tend to assume people are sincere too long.

    About signing off, I fixed it so ET can't send me any emails anymore a few weeks ago. Previously the replies to threads in my email were distracting and interrupting real work.

    So I probably can now avoid saying that I will "sign off" of threads any more.

    It seems I have said I'm signing off from different threads and then people post replies or otherwise prompt me to stay on the thread.

    I hope things work out like you expect with regards to staying the course.

    Sincerely,
    Wayne
     
    #57     Jul 21, 2009
  8. travis

    travis

    Yeah, you don't have to reply forever - of course you have your work. Just like I don't have to go on talking forever, so maybe I will shut up, too, for a bit.
     
    #58     Jul 21, 2009
  9. heech

    heech

    You're not doing anything criminal or illegal, and certainly not immoral.

    But without a better understand of statistics, you are setting yourself up for catastrophic failure. (I see you've "lost all of your capital" multiple times, so perhaps that level of failure isn't that catastrophic for you.)

    Let me put it this way (with the textbook example of a martingale). You can implement a similar strategy by going to Las Vegas and playing blackjack. Bet $1 a hand. Every time you win, keep the $1 and play again. Every time you lose, double your bet. Whenever you win again, you will have won back all of your losses + $1.

    No one ever loses, say... 50 hands of blackjack in a row, right? All you need is ONE win, and you'll have a profit. You will (eventually) be a billionaire, and no one in Vegas can stop you.

    In reality of course, you won't. You'll have exactly the equity curve you described. You will be profitable 99.99% of the time, and the 0.01% loss will wipe out your trading account entirely.
     
    #59     Jul 21, 2009
  10. lynx

    lynx

    This thread is getting really weird.

    No stops, doubling up on losses, hate smileys, "going to amsterdam", etc.

    Who hates smileys?

    Sounds like you're all a bunch of freakin' hippies. But wait, you hate smileys so that can't be it. I have to admit that I'm totally stumped here.

    I'm pretty much putting all of you on ignore.

    This is for you, travis: :D :D :D
     
    #60     Jul 21, 2009