The US Becoming Socialist By Default ? What to Do....

Discussion in 'Economics' started by libertad, Jul 24, 2008.

  1. gnome

    gnome

    "Standing up for ourselves"... do you realize it will take the equivalent of the American Revolution to make any difference?

    The Federal politico system has TONS AND TONS of resources to put down virtually all but the biggest uprising of the citizenry...

    Unless you get 100 Million dissatisfied Americans, marching on Washington and carrying signs... you might as well piss into a hurricane... for all the good "standing up for yourself" will do.

    Nobody wants to hear this, but it's true nonetheless... AMERICA IS UNDER THE THUMB OF THE FEDERAL GUMMINT VIRTUALLY THE SAME WAY AS IRAQI CITIZENS WERE UNDER THE THUMB OF SADDAM... it's not so obvious, but still true. :mad:
     
    #21     Jul 24, 2008
  2. That is exactly what I mean but it will never happen.
     
    #22     Jul 24, 2008
  3. If you think the debt is 56 trillion then you should be the most bullish guy on this board. If the debt ever approaches that figure you best believe a condo in Vegas will sell for 300 million dollars.

    You haven't even seen spending until you pair Obama with a Democrat majority in Congress.

    To ascribe Iraq as chief in parcel of our fiscal woes is inaccurate.
    Yea the war was needlessly long and expensive but at a 125bil a year it isn't going to magically erase deficits upon it's conclusion. The looming entitlement crisis vis a vis Social Security and Medicare dwarfs anything pertaining to Iraq.

    Anyone with a brain knows the Democrats aren't going to slash military spending one iota. They'll do what they did during 8 years of Bush. Campaign as doves and vote on the Hill as hawks. Plus they're going to pump up the volume on every conceivable domestic social program. Obama is incapable of thinking outside the box.

    It was really Bush who had a lot of cutting edge ideas. Privatize S.S. while expanding Medicare. The perfect (well politically perfect) ying-yang. Conservatives like me love to vilify the Medicare boondoggle as a Bush socialist folly but guess what: It was going to happen no matter what. Of course down the road we'll see medical rationing. Some pro abortion douchebag will someday run the NIH and proclaim, “no heart surgery for those over 65, they're going to die in a few years anyway.”
     
    #23     Jul 24, 2008
  4. Who would ever guess in our lifetime that the Republican party would be responsible for the largest socialist take over of our government in seventy five years.
     
    #24     Jul 24, 2008


  5. You got the wrong end of the stick.

    Those 545 dickheads are in there because someone loved them enough to drive to the polling booth to vote for them.

    It's like the fat fucks who go on tirades against McDonalds for making high calorie meals. While they chomp down on the extra order of bigMc and Fries.

    Look in the mirror closely. It ain't the biggie sized McMeals that puts on the extra pounds on these waddling hippos. And it ain't the mirror neither.
     
    #25     Jul 25, 2008
  6. donnap

    donnap

    To have a chance at energy independence or independence in many of our other domestic resources - we have to stabilize the population.

    It is futile to propose a sound energy policy, when millions are allowed to enter the country every year. Energy, food, water will all become scarcer with our population growth.
     
    #26     Jul 25, 2008
  7. toc

    toc

    What to do?

    Cut defense budget, prison spending, governmental spending at all three levels.

    Have seen it many times that cost cutting is much more easy than thought unless there is a gung-ho belief that spending is good for the economy.
     
    #27     Jul 25, 2008
  8. Something good about McBush....

    McCain to Fannie Mae: Go Away
    July 26, 2008; Page A8
    In the rush to bulldoze the Fannie Mae-Freddie Mac and housing bailout bill through Congress this week, scant attention has been paid in Washington to how the U.S. system fell into this hole. Thus it was refreshing to see Senator John McCain step up and speak rude truth to his colleagues about the fiasco in an op-ed piece this week.

    "Americans should be outraged at the latest sweetheart deal in Washington," the Republican presidential hopeful wrote in the St. Petersburg Times, stating the clear but all-too-often unspoken reality about this greatest of boondoggles. Yesterday 80 Senators voted to end debate on the bill. Only 13 voted against. That makes it all but inevitable that the bailout will pass today and go to the President early next week. Senator Jim DeMint has slowed the bill by requesting a commitment from his colleagues that sometime in the future, they would hold a vote on barring Fannie and Freddie from lobbying.

    Senator McCain, who wasn't present for the cloture vote, also called for an end to their multimillion-dollar lobbying campaign. More importantly, he called for "making them [Fannie and Freddie] go away," as in, be no more. Receivership may indeed by the only option if a regulator can't get the far-flung activities of these two under control.

    Politics today is endless self-calculation, but Mr. McCain deserves some credit for bucking the Washington consensus on this debacle. Barack Obama likely won't be in the Senate tomorrow for the vote on the bailout, but voters deserve to know whether he sides with the Beltway mortgage combines or taxpayers when it comes to Fan and Fred.
     
    #28     Jul 26, 2008
  9. gnome

    gnome

    You make it sound like the Average American is politically aware, informed and made rational choices to elect the 545.

    Nothing could be further from the truth. Americans are politically naive, not informed... sheep, really... and are just as likely to vote for "best smile" as any other reason... especially when given only 2, equally despicable choices.

    Yeah, we "elected" them... but what choice did we really have?

    We DO "go to the polls", but we really only have a choice between Giant Douche and Turd Sandwich.... because THAT'S the system.... and it has LOTS of safeguards to assure it stays just as it is. To change that system will take nothing less than a second Revolutionary War.. this time, "the people vs. our own Gummint"... America is not ready for that yet.
     
    #29     Jul 26, 2008
  10. Klamath

    Klamath

    Did Rogers give up his citizenship?
     
    #30     Jul 26, 2008