The Truth about Daytrading Futures..

Discussion in 'Index Futures' started by Trend Fader, Aug 17, 2003.

  1. You are right! While evolving our skills we must also increase our level of discipline.
     
    #81     Aug 19, 2003
  2. nitro

    nitro

    I agree with you 100%. But my-oh-my, it is easier said than done!

    nitro :(

     
    #82     Aug 19, 2003
  3. To an extent I agree AMT, if one has an edge he or she should only be limited by available liquidity (at least over 100 contracts on ES intraday), and until that point is reached one's gains should be geometric not arithmetic. If the same trader feels stuck at a certain profit per day or month, the issue is more likely psychological in nature.

    But AMT has a point, the trader who is always on the lookout for increasing his advantage or adjusting tactics in a changing market is not necessarily overconfident; in fact, you could almost argue that it's the trader who's achieved a level of "satisfaction" from a certain level of gains (say 10k/month) who is the overconfident one.

    The issue isn't the total amount of profits that one wants to increase -- that is just a matter of leverage and equity size; it's the continual maximization of one's edge which should be the goal, each and every day, because eventually the market catches up to all edges and neatly erases them over time.
     
    #83     Aug 19, 2003
  4. ratso

    ratso

    #84     Aug 19, 2003
  5. I believe 100% that one can lose 5K(arbitrary number) a day consistently...so why not believe you can make it. Personally, I take Baby Steps tweeking my numbers & working on myself...this is how I progress to new levels.
     
    #85     Aug 19, 2003
  6. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    I disagree. It's the continual maximization of one's willingness to adapt and make the most of what the market is willing to give him. If, as you say, the market eventually catches up to all edges, one must be wary of putting one's own edge on life support.
     
    #86     Aug 19, 2003
  7. Many daytraders look at the market as if it were a job to do everyday. They get a sense that they have to earn their salary every single day, they overtrade, and they lose. One think you have to realize is that the overwhelming majority of market moves are just random - not willful. The big money is just waiting for the possibility of loss to be as low as possible before entry. Having patience to wait without an open position provides the best defense and offence.
     
    #87     Aug 19, 2003


  8. it is a matter of perception.

    best,

    surfer
     
    #88     Aug 19, 2003
  9. damir00

    damir00 Guest

    maybe it would be better to say that at times - perhaps lots of times - the aggregate of all the willful market actions can look random. personally i prefer "noisy" to "random" because noisy allows for an underlying signal.

     
    #89     Aug 19, 2003
  10. Sorry for confusion, maximization was in reference to maintaining and adjusting one's system to keep up with market changes, not maximization of size or leverage. But if one has an edge he should not be afraid to raise his size in accordance with his increasing capitall, instead of limiting himself to a certain gain/day or month.
     
    #90     Aug 19, 2003