The true cause behind Civil War was ...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by harrytrader, Apr 23, 2003.

  1. In 1791, Jefferson said: "To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. If we run into such debts, we will then be taxed in our meat and our drink, in our necessities and in our comforts, in our labor and in our amusements. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labor of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy."

    Even though Thomas Jefferson, and James Madison (later to be the 4th President, 1809-17) opposed the Bill, Washington signed it into law on February 25, 1791, Alexander Hamilton became a very rich man. He and Aaron Burr helped establish the Manhattan Co. in New York City, which developed into a very prosperous banking institution. It would later be controlled by Warburg-Kuhn-Loeb interests, and in 1955 it merged with Rockefeller's Chase Bank to create the Chase Manhattan Bank.

    When Jefferson (1801-09) became President, he opposed the the Bank of the United States or BUS [*] as being unconstitutional, and when the 20 year charter came up for renewal in 1811, it was denied. Nathan Rothschild, head of the family bank in England, had recognized America's potential, and made loans to a few states, and in fact became the official European banker for the U.S. Government. Because he supported the Bank of the United States [*], he threatened: "Either the application for renewal of the Charter is granted, or the United States will find itself in a most disastrous war"; he then ordered British troops to: "Teach these impudent Americans a lesson. Bring them back to Colonial status." This brought on the War of 1812, the second war with England, which facilitated the rechartering of the Bank of the United States. The war raised the national debt from $45 million to $127 million.

    [*] the Bank of the United States known as BUS was the name of the first Central Bank in America's History. The main capital's holder was ... Bank of England. Today it is impossible to know who the holders of the actual Federal Reserve Bank are except through an old enquiry from Congress in the seventies - that showed European Bankers were still vastly among the holders as in the former Central Bank during the 19th century.
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  3. Just History. So instead of going to see stupid fictions like Matrix you should better look at REALITY.

    As for your astonishment this is normal state just read 1984:

    "the world-view of the Party imposed itself most successfully on people incapable of understanding it. They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening. By lack of understanding they remained sane."

    "they remained sane" but for whom ... haha !

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  5. You are on the right path keep on asking yourself questions :)

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  7. 1812 wasn't the Civil War, harry.

    "War of 1812" I think it was called. (?)
  8. Babak


    Yes...1812 was a war with Canada (technically still not a country). BTW Canada kicked ass!! :D

    and Harry...all that stuff about the Fed has been around for a while. It is an urban myth.
  9. It is not an urban myth there are historical legal documents which some I have read in fact like parlementary debates at that time.

    If your sole argument is saying that it is the past, then what's the value of History for seizing repeating framework and why nazis and all dictature regims always try to hide History books to the people by forbidding them ?

    So if you think it has nothing to do with the present time and you're just missing a few connections between some neurones then read this to establish them :):

    Weapons of Monetary Destruction
    By: Ned W. Schmidt, CFA CEBS

  10. Huh?

    I read your original post. Then I read it again. I am not sure what that post has to do with the War between the States. If your point is that the War Between the States was for economic interests, then we agree.

    As my Libertarian friends say, "Why can't they just leave us the f*ck alone?"

    Alexander Hamilton later founded the NY Post. For that we are all truly thankful. He is also buried in the Trinity Church grave yard at the corner of Broadway and Wall St.

    Mr. Jefferson's greatest achievement was started at Rockfich Gap in 1829. He didn't even list being President of the United States on his tombstone as one of his 3 greatest accomplishments.
    #10     Apr 25, 2003