The Trouble With Scribbles

Discussion in 'Technical Analysis' started by Buy1Sell2, Mar 30, 2015.

  1. samuel11

    samuel11

    Well, let’s take an example if you trade long time frame:

    I want to buy at 4400 and my target is 4500. Please correct me if that range is too large, but I think it is reasonable for a trade lasting a few days.

    When price reaches that level, are you telling me that it is a big deal if the average fill he gets is 4405? Or 4395?

    I know the US indices futures market, and I don’t really think that whenever DB decides he wants to buy, he moves the market that much.

    I also don’t think that the market immediately moves in his direction, hence he could also get better fills.

    That being said, I cannot really envision how one individual who is targeting decently large profit targets in long time frames could possibly complain about liquidity in one of the major indices in one of the most developed financial markets in the world.
     
    #941     May 2, 2015
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  2. Schaefer

    Schaefer


    Every successful trader would tell you, that every tick is a big deal. Why? because no one knows, if the trade is going to go the way you've anticipated. Every tick you're away from your entry is a tick towards your stop loss.

    Schaefer
     
    #942     May 2, 2015
  3. romik

    romik

    I am sorry, but I disagree. Drawdowns are essential nuisances unfortunately, if your stop is 4 ticks, then sure you are feeling the heat, but when a stop is 200 ticks, then that 1 tick move against your entry makes no difference whatsoever.
     
    #943     May 2, 2015
  4. samuel11

    samuel11

    So you are assuming that I am not a successful trader or that I do not know any?

    What kind of legitimacy gives you the right to speak for every one of us?

    I trade options, and I don’t really care if I am filled at 2.02 vs 2.1 because that is part of trading! You can never guarantee a fill.

    How is one tick relevant when you target 100 points? That’s your excuse for liquidity?

    If DB was going for 10 points, I would understand. But you said long time frames...
     
    #944     May 2, 2015
  5. Redneck

    Redneck

    Speaking strictly from a manual trader's perspective

    Draw downs are not essential... nor necessary

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    Traders are risk managers first and foremost

    Losing trades do happen - simply a part of normal trading


    Draw downs happen;

    When a loser/ series of losers allowed to increase beyond an acceptable level of one's net account

    or/ and

    When the trader has not kept pace with the mkt/ price evolving - and now finds himself / herself in a constant fight / struggle with same

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    Draw downs are a manifestation of one's ego

    Losing trades are simply business as usual



    Or not - tis a choice

    RN
     
    #945     May 2, 2015
  6. romik

    romik

    I think we look at drawdowns differently, I look at a drawdown as a reduction of one's trading capital after a series of consecutive losing trades.
     
    #946     May 2, 2015
  7. Schaefer

    Schaefer


    Yes, we agree to disagree here, and if that works for you, great.

    I'm rooting for your experiment.

    Schaefer
     
    #947     May 2, 2015
  8. romik

    romik

    Schaefer, although we disagree I sense you are a good person.
     
    #948     May 2, 2015
  9. Schaefer

    Schaefer


    Samuel, you misunderstood, it wasn't directed at you.

    My definition of longer time frame would be different from yours, DB's, or anyone else. I don't trade options, so I've no idea what you guys think is a fair fill.

    Schaefer
     
    #949     May 2, 2015
  10. k p

    k p

    Shafer... I just wanted to say that I enjoyed your posts over at TL while you were posting some of your charts. I liked reading your rationale, although it was difficult to figure out how you entered given that you were posting 15 min charts. But I still found your examples of trading behavior and reading charts to be excellent, and from what I remember, you appeared to be damn profitable and knew quite well what you were doing. :)
     
    #950     May 2, 2015