The Taxes Are Coming, The Taxes Are Coming

Discussion in 'Economics' started by pspr, Jul 21, 2010.

  1. volente_00

    volente_00


    It was over 90% from the early 50's to early 60's
     
    #21     Jul 22, 2010
  2. BSAM

    BSAM

    You guys always come on here and bitch, bitch, bitch and point / counterpoint each other. But, you never get to the real point:

    TERM LIMITS!

    This would fix a myriad of problems in this country.
     
    #22     Jul 22, 2010
  3. zdreg

    zdreg

    the debt level of the US and the combined pension liability of the federal and state and city governments were not near the levels they are today. basically we are Argentina before their crisis which resulted in riots, foreign currency confiscation and mass emigration to spain etc.
     
    #23     Jul 22, 2010
  4. Surely you see the difference between the USA (largest economy in the world) and......Argentina?
     
    #24     Jul 22, 2010
  5. Reagan tax cuts via Krugman,Carter, Reagan, Revenue.

    One common reaction of conservatives, when you point out that the experience of the last 20 years offers zero support for the idea that tax cuts pay for themselves, is to start shouting “Jimmy Carter! Reagan! Supply side roolz!”

    So I thought it might be worth presenting a bit of evidence from an earlier 20-year stretch. Here’s real federal revenue, in 2005 dollars, from 1970 to 1990. I’ve plotted the log, because it’s easier to look at trends:


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    A couple of points. First, the Carter years, contrary to legend, were not a period of economic stagnation and falling revenue because high tax rates were strangling the economy; there was a nasty recession starting in 1979, largely thanks to an oil shock, but overall growth was respectable and revenue growth reasonably high.

    Second, the revenue track under Reagan looks a lot like the track under Bush: a drop in revenues, then a resumption of growth, but no return to the previous trend.

    This is exactly what you would expect to see if supply-side economics were just plain wrong: revenues are permanently reduced relative to what they would otherwise have been.

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    Tax cuts do not pay for themselves. And really, the rich don't contribute much of anything to society; raise their taxes back to 70%.
     
    #25     Jul 22, 2010
  6. Very niave IMO.

    1. Tax cuts provide the government with less money, and yourself with more money.

    2. The rich employ the poor.
     
    #26     Jul 22, 2010
  7. Tax the rich; they will have less money to hire people; the gov't will have more money to hire people; people will not want to derail their livelihood so they will tend to give the gov't more power so they can keep their jobs.

    Rich people get rich and stay rich because they can deploy capital more effectively than the average guy. You get richer by doing so, that's the incentive.

    There is no performance based compensation in gov't bureaucracies. You get more money and power by keeping your job longer and having more people work for you. The incentive is simply to remain and to expand.

    Which is more efficient, Walmart or the DMV? Which has happier customers? Which has competition? You see the correlation.. right?
     
    #27     Jul 22, 2010
  8. Illum

    Illum

    Who cares how well the government does with high taxes. This is about freedom. To hell with federal revenue. It should be zero.
     
    #28     Jul 22, 2010
  9. So Bill Gates and that massive cash hoarding giant known as MSFT wants more HB1 visa workers yet there are plenty of US programmers looking for jobs...and that's what I call typical of the rich. How exactly does this benefit the society?
     
    #29     Jul 22, 2010
  10. Your view on the matter is too narrow and short sighted. Disproportionately taxing the rich is an attempt to make things "equal". It destroys incentive to produce wealth because the rich don't want to give all of their hard earned money to an undeserving government. So what do the rich do? They leave the country, along with their capital.

    Where do you think America would be today if Bill Gates never took the initiative to create MSFT? Some dude in a different country with low taxes would have invented Windows. Think about that.
     
    #30     Jul 22, 2010