greetings, even though i DO NOT agree with zach's philosphy, the band is (was) indeed entertaining. nice qoute !! live long, surf
...why did philosophy talk have to come back up? i knew i shouldn't have stuck my head back in. well, i need a mental break anyway...and its fun to blow off steam here....i think i am getting into my elite rhythm- hang out, get sick of the place, leave for a bit, repeat. Okay, let's see how many people I can offend now (just kidding).... for the record Publias my man, whether he knows it or not that limpwristed communist moron Zach de la Rocha is quoting Galatians 6:7 and thus by extension so are you. i thot u would have preferred to quote the source.... regarding detachment: if you have no responsibility, fine. but all that detachment crap goes out the window if you have real world responsibilities. the only way to stay detached your entire life is to 'walk the earth'- to be a bum, as Vincent Vega would say. if detachment is your true desire, why trade? why not just hole up in an abandoned building and sit there in the dust while you masturbate, i mean meditate? like the wise man Lawrence from Office Space said: "Shoot, you don't gotta be rich to do nothin' man. My cousin Earl ain't got no money, and he don't do s--t.' regarding trading: trading is not 80% anything, it is 100% everything. and when it comes down to it, I would rather be a badass with a lousy attitude than a ghandi with no skills. I cultivate my attitude because hey, why not have the whole package? But when it comes down to it, skills and discipline leave attitude in the dust on the importance scale. If you do not have real tangible skills, you will not make money as a trader with your mindset any more than Danny DeVito could make it in the NBA. i don't care if you are the most emotionally grounded, spiritually integrated person in the history of all time, if you don't have real skills you will never pay the bills. regarding eastern vs here and now: Materialism is a stupid waste of time but so is asceticism. Worshiping money or pride is nonsensical, but so is worshiping detachment or nothingness. Worrying about what other people think is a waste of time but trying to pretend you are somehow above and beyond reality is a waste of time too. The arrogant eastern buddha and the arrogant western materialist both have the same thing in common: they focus on a single corner of reality and incorrectly declare it to be the whole of reality. a classic case of blind man and elephant. Easterners: perception and emotion is all, you materialists are too attached to reality. Westerners: reality and cold hard cash is all, you easterners are dreaming with your irresponsible mumbo jumbo. darkhorse: We must live in the real world at all times, but is the real world the here and now only, or is the real much more than that? Real actions have real consequences, but are ultimate actions and ultimate consequences available at first glance? No they are not. I appreciate eastern philosophy for the way it brings out fuzziness in things. It reminds us that we really only know a tiny fraction of what we think we do. It highlights the fact that although logic is a valid and useful tool, in a lot of ways we are like dogs trying to understand calculus and some things are too complex or intuitive to translate. BUT, and its a big BUT, as soon as easterners try to make hard fast pronouncements about reality they cross into doofus self contradiction land. You can't deny logic and real world concerns and then try to make statements regarding both. Why, that's as silly as an atheist trying to argue that life has intrinsic meaning. Furthermore, True detachment neither calls attention to itself nor worships itself. The original buddha specifically requested that he NOT be worshiped, that he NOT be considered a god, that he was NOT promoting a religion but rather a philosophy of life only, and look what his followers did anyway. Funny how followers have a bad habit of wrecking what the teacher really said. so to give props to the REAL siddhartha G. perhaps that bears repeating a few times: True detachment neither calls attention to itself nor worships itself. True detachment neither calls attention to itself nor worships itself. True detachment neither calls attention to itself nor worships itself. True detachment neither calls attention to itself nor worships itself. True detachment neither calls attention to itself nor worships itself. carry on.
Dark, Nice to see you stick your head back into the pot again. Let's see .... detach .... post .... detach .... post. By jove, he's got it.
in flipping decisions like pancakes i am letting my trader mentality show through, LOL 'foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.' -Emerson
oh no not .............. !!!!!!!!! Krrrrrriiiiiiiissssstttttt This place is just full of nutters "Matters of great concern should be handled lightly; Matters of small concern should be handled greatly!" --Hagakure-- "Handle the difficult while it is still easy; Deal with the large while it is still small!" --Lao Tzu-- "small is really big but difficult is truely easy" ~ err ...wing or wong ~ ___________________________________________ This thread will serve as a portal into the mind, spirit, and trading of Publias (my TRUE/AUTHENTIC self) )... "trip to Disney better value" ~stu~ __________________________________________ Each time the heavans open up, And rains down its wisdom, I look to the skies, In the hope of catching but one drop. To awaken the garden within, ~ Confused Us say: do that you get rain in eye and pissed wet ~ _____________________________________________ Commiss/Publias/Enigma/dark.... oops - it had to be ..... you need a disclaimer: All this sheeeet hippy rubbish may seriously damage your logic or trading or both along with a whole bunch of other stuff THIS IS MY um.... TRUTH ...yeah that's it ...TRUTH ya hear me
why thank you 'darkwhores,' LOL whoever you is, you created that alias lightning fast will i have to come up with another name to avoid my doppelganger? let's see...horace kent, nah...josey wales, nah....dash riprock, nah....
d-oh alright...darkhorse is back! )) ... if you have no responsibility, fine. but all that detachment crap goes out the window if you have real world responsibilities. detachment is an excellent tool to distance yourself from emotion associated with a thing. if that helps you "do a better job", it certainly is NOT crap, nor does it go out the window. the only way to stay detached your entire life is to 'walk the earth'- to be a bum, as Vincent Vega would say. hmm, you obviously have no idea of what the term "detachment" actually means...yet, in typical darkhorse style, you come storming in to set the record straight (this thread does discuss philosophy, afterall, thinks darkhorse..) if detachment is your true desire, why trade? I don't know as much about the ultimate goals of "eastern thought" as publias, but i'm pretty damn sure detachment is just a means to an end, not the "true desire" itself...(and for one "straight-back-at-ya"...it still beats servitude to some whimsical god..) regarding eastern vs here and now: Materialism is a stupid waste of time but so is asceticism. thanks for the report on your psychological state darkhorse....don't bother justifying it with argument...i can already imagine the kind of drivel you're going to come up with The arrogant eastern buddha and the arrogant western materialist both have the same thing in common: they focus on a single corner of reality and incorrectly declare it to be the whole of reality. correction: "they correctly declare it to be the whole of reality BUT, and its a big BUT, as soon as easterners try to make hard fast pronouncements about reality they cross into doofus self contradiction land. You can't deny logic and real world concerns and then try to make statements regarding both. Why, that's as silly as an atheist trying to argue that life has intrinsic meaning. correction: "why, that's as UNLIKELY as an atheist trying to argue that life has intrinsic meaning" i know of no bigger doofus, permanently residing in self contradiction land, than the theist who tries to uphold the bible's take on reality... darkhorse, i don't want to further pollute publias' thread..so if you're going to reply...setup a new thread in chit-chat and i'll meet you there.. it's a pity you stuck your nose in they way you did, i was really looking forward to learning something from discussing publias's train of thought... but, since you summarily dismissed the whole topic as unworthy of discussion i doubt publias would be interested..
Dan, Feel free to continue your discussion on this thread... The thread has already been shot And if you truly do have a genuine desire to understand where I come from with my 'train of thought', please feel free to email me whenever you would like... AS for the rest, I have to say that I am truly sorry to see the thread get destroyed like this... BUTI have learned a few important lessons from all of you, so for that I thank you This will be my last post on this thread and probably this entrie site... It's been fun guys! PEACE and good trading to all, Publias---->Commisso
Dan m: If you are half as good at trading as you are at sophistry, you will retire a wealthy man- if your bitterness does not consume you first. It's ironic that of all the individuals i have met and interacted with on this board, you and fasterpussycat have probably taught me the most. Though not in the way you might assume, I assure you that. p.s. i didn't mean to cause any destruction, i was intrigued by the 'do you have kids' line of thought and was joining an argument in progress, and so my thoughts expanded as i typed. p.p.s. dan m i believe you were genuinely interested in eastern meditational principles the way i believe Anna Nicole Smith should win an academy award for her new reality show. p.p.p.s Publias i must say i mean NO ill will towards you bro. i just have to speak up sometimes when i see important matters being discussed, hope you understand.