The South Rose Again, As Members Of The GOP...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by OPTIONAL777, May 23, 2009.

  1. Well thankfully we have crazy tree hugging, free market hating, capitalist loathing dems on the left to balance out people like you. You all should get together :) lol
     
    #11     May 24, 2009
  2. Oh really? What language were you using when you wrote that? English of course. Where did come from? It was certainly not home grown. What about common law system? England again. US weights and measures? England once more. The idea of democracy? Greece. Concept of a Republic? Rome.

    US culture is essentially a modified (mutated) version of european heritage.

    Western civilization did not start in the US. Keep that in mind.
     
    #12     May 24, 2009
  3. Reagan, why am I not surprised. Let me guess, it was because he "defeated" communism and made americans feel proud again?

    Are you not at all concerned about giving an answer that any fool with a 7 grade education driving a pick up truck would give?

    You think Reagan is great but FDR bad. Reagan took over a super power and relied on tools that were established by others(Nukes, NATO, etc.) to launch into a wasteful arms race with the soviet union.

    FDR presided over the beginning of WWII and essentially took US to victory (he died less than a month before V-E Day.) Of course you may complain that FDR took US into a war that a lot of people did not want to go to. But US was always a country with imperial ambitions (delusions) it is just its appetites and its force were not so high in the beginning. In the early days, US simply beat up on third rate powers of Spain and Mexico.

    For all the people who think Lincoln was great and Lincoln picked up a bad general after a bad general, FDR should be considered great because WWII was run better than civil war.
     
    #13     May 24, 2009
  4. Mercor

    Mercor

    FDR was an awful president.
    Closing the banks,
    Confiscating Gold from citizens,
    Forcing safety deposit boxes only to be opened in the presences of an IRS official,
    Expanding the Supreme court just to load it with cronies,
    Expanding the Supreme court because the smaller Supreme court rejected his programs
    Locking up the Japs,
    Making policy to hold German POWS on US soil in prisons well after the war was over.
    Running for a third and forth term.
    Using the lives of 400,000 soldiers to save his reputation.

    Had he left office in 1936 or 1940 he would have been considered one of the worst Presidents ever.
     
    #14     May 24, 2009
  5. Where do you both come up with this stuff?

    comparing WW2 to the civil war? Really? They have almost nothing in common except for the obvious.

    Saying FDR was a horrible president? Bashing lincoln?

    look have your own opinions, whatever but at least read up on these people a little bit. it may help. or not.
     
    #15     May 24, 2009
  6. Why would I give a rats ass about "defeating communism." Foreign policy-particularly intervention is a NEGATIVE to me. If Reagan hadn't been great in other areas I'd rate him lower BECAUSE of the arms race.

    Reagan took over a country that was reeling with high inflation, high interest rates, a moribund stock market, double digit unemployment, high punitive taxes, zero construction and business investment and he created a climate of prosperity within three years.

    FDR was BY FAR the worst President of the 20th Century. Not even close. He started a World War because the New Deal was impotant relaunching the economy. He sacrificed a half a million American lives so that Russia and China could enslave hundreds of millions additional people behind the Iron Curtain. He started many programs that to this day are a source of fiscal calamity. He threatened to EXPAND THE SUPREME COURT when rulings didn't go his way, he interned 100,000 American citizens, he allowed Communists to work in many key State Department jobs not to mention dropping dead with his mistress at his side. If FDR isn't in hell than no need for any the rest of us to worry.

     
    #16     May 24, 2009
  7. Bingo.
     
    #17     May 24, 2009
  8. Here is a real test of a presidency and the actual real impact of their legacy.

    Look to 20 years after the end of the presidency, almost a generation, and see what condition America is actually in...

    20 years after Reagan policy we are in the midst of one of the worst financial crisis in the country's history. The middle class is shrinking quickly, and the lower class is rapidly increasing.

    20 years after FDR policy we were in much better shape than 20 years after Reagan (even after the peace dividend of the end of the cold war) a growing middle class, and overall better quality of life for the majority of American than 20 years following Reagan policy...

    If people would actually detach from the Reganism disease and look dispassionately, they would clearly see that Reaganism failed, which is why it is now a dead issue no matter how much people try to glorify it.

    Reagan and Reaganism is dead, and the GOPers that are stuck in that fantasy Hollywood view of Reaganism are either unwilling or incapable of looking to the present and offering new solutions for the 21st century.

     
    #18     May 24, 2009
  9. Like a sweet sounding Obama speech it appears you're making sense but the fact is you're full of it.

    What was the America of 1965 really like? The Watts riots-soon to emulated all over America.

    Another 600,000 American troops-sent to war by yet another liberal Democrat-killing and being killed in a place few had heard of.

    A nation spending trillions in a continuing Cold War against FDR's trusted friend, the Soviet Union.

    A country rapidly losing it's industrial base, losing it's cities to lawlessness and workers losing their purchasing power to dollar debasing inflation.

    Cities filled with smog, undrinkable water, white flight to the suburbs and a stock market stuck in neutral.

    None of that changed until Reagan. And unlike FDR and LBJ, Reagan didn't need kill one American teenager on the field of war in order to create jobs.

    Yea 1965-watta year.

    America was better in 1985, 1995, 2005 and even 2009 than in 1965.


     
    #19     May 24, 2009
  10. Financially, America was more sound 20 years after FDR than 20 years after Reagan...

    Now we have 2 wars going on, financial crisis, energy crisis, terrorism, and a house very much divided against itself...

     
    #20     May 24, 2009