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  1. From the study killthesunshine. 3 model, 3 different diet (ratio change in the diet)

    "The investigators proceeded to study a mouse model of atherosclerosis. These “ApoE” mice were fed one of three diets: a standard diet of mouse “chow” (65 percent carbohydrate; 15 percent fat; 20 percent protein); a “Western diet” in keeping with the average human diet (43 percent carbohydrate; 42 percent fat; 15 percent protein; and 0.15 percent cholesterol); or a low-carb/high-protein diet (12 percent carbohydrate; 43 percent fat; 45 percent protein; and 0.15 percent cholesterol)."
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    Ok killthesunshine, go from this, 3 diets to this is what they see from the ratio change
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    The scientists then observed the mice after six weeks, and again at 12 weeks. Consistent with experience in humans, the mice fed the low-carb diet gained 28 percent less weight than the mice fed the Western diet. However, further probing revealed that the animals’ blood vessels exhibited a significantly greater degree of atherosclerosis, as measured by plaque accumulation: 15.3 percent compared with 8.8 percent among the Western diet group. (As expected, the mice on the chow diet showed minimal evidence of atherosclerosis compared with either of the other two groups.)
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    killthesunshine, you see? "(As expected, the mice on the chow diet showed minimal evidence of atherosclerosis compared with either of the other two groups.)"
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    Now they ask this killthesunshine, “Our next question was, ‘Why do the low-carb mice have such an increase in atherosclerosis?’”
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    So they do this killthesunshine , "measure the usual markers thought to contribute to vascular disease, including the animals’ cholesterol and triglyceride levels, oxidative stress, insulin and glucose, as well as levels of some inflammatory cytokines."
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    (TRIGLYCERIDE IS FAT) that is important to know killthesunshine--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    And they find this killthesunshine, “In each case, there was either no difference in measurements compared with the mice on the Western diet [which contains the same amount of fat and cholesterol] or the numbers slightly favored the low-carb cohort,” she added. “None of these results explained why the animals’ blood had more atherosclerotic blockages and looked so bad.”
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    So they find (the same) amount of fat and cholesterol in the body of high fat diet (Western diet) and (Low carb/high protein) and (mice chow diet)

    So they can not say saturated fat is the (cause)
     
    #71     Oct 6, 2009
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    You see how you (think) something is bad, so now you go crazy if you see that picture of delicious meat?

    Go have a taste! :) Not too much, not too little.
     
    #72     Oct 6, 2009
  3. wavel

    wavel

    Contrary to popular belief saturated fat is infact good for you as it is the only fat that ISN'T easily oxidised via the application of heat, wheras polyunsaturated fat becomes rancid with only the slightest temperature adjustment.

    If that isn't conclusive enough, most cows are reared on a very high polyunsaturated diet, and therefore this reflects itself within the nutritional content of the "harvested material" which is subsequently issued for public consumption.

    Atleast if your eating meat, you aint injecting yourself with insulin!
     
    #73     Oct 6, 2009
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    #76     Oct 6, 2009
  7. wavel

    wavel

    PAPA ROACH appreciates a kebab!
     
    #77     Oct 6, 2009
  8. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    I was adding milk to my coffee when a vegan colleague said, "Do you know that milk belongs to a calf?"
    I replied, "Relax, I already ate that calf for lunch".
     
    #78     Oct 6, 2009
  9. Yeah, thats what these guys said.

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    #79     Oct 7, 2009
  10. ehorn

    ehorn

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    #80     Oct 7, 2009