the sooner we get away from BEEF

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by killthesunshine, Oct 5, 2009.

  1. "Moderation"... is for those that don't really know what the hell is going on so they hedge their bet.

    Do you pick your trades by "moderation" :D
     
    #371     Nov 2, 2009
  2. My cardiologist seems to think moderation is a good idea, are you suggesting you know more about heart health than him?? LoL :D

    Pick my trades?? I don't choose my trades, the mkt chooses them for me. You still try and "guess" what will happen? You are light yrs behind my friend :p

     
    #372     Nov 2, 2009
  3. quacks :D

    sock puppets strings pulled by big pharm :D
     
    #373     Nov 2, 2009
  4. Or...he's someone who knows a lot more about this than you :D

     
    #374     Nov 2, 2009
  5. not if she actually told you to eat BEEF for heart health. but did she really tell you this, or is this what you heard :D
     
    #375     Nov 2, 2009
  6. vegan food for thought :D


    Is lowering phosphate exposure the key to preventing arterial stiffening with age?

    C J Ferro1, C D Chue2, R P Steeds3, J N Townend3

    1 Department of Nephrology, Queen Elizabeth Hospital, University Hospital Birmingham NHS Foundation Trust, Birmingham, UK
    2 Department of Cardiovascular Medicine, University of Birmingham, Birmingham, UK
    3 Department of Cardiology, Queen Elizabeth Hospital, University Hospital Birmingham NHS Foundation Trust, Birmingham, UK

    Correspondence to Dr C J Ferro, Department of Nephrology, Queen Elizabeth Hospital, Edgbaston, Birmingham, West Midlands B15 2TH, UK; charles.ferro@uhb.nhs.uk
    ABSTRACT

    Cardiovascular disease remains the leading cause of death world wide. Although atheroma is clearly important, the role of arteriosclerotic vascular disease is often overlooked. Arteriosclerosis causes increased arterial stiffness, with consequent systolic hypertension and left ventricular hypertrophy. Serum phosphate is increasingly being recognised as a cardiovascular risk factor and has been implicated in the development of arteriosclerosis and arterial calcification. Its determinants are unclear, but both diet and minor reductions in renal function may be important. Diets in affluent populations are high in phosphate because of increased consumption of animal protein and the use of phosphate-containing preservatives. This viewpoint suggests that the consumption of a phosphate-rich diet, exacerbated by the high prevalence of chronic kidney disease found in ageing populations, accelerates the development of arteriosclerosis. It is hypothesised that reducing phosphate intake will attenuate the progression of arterial stiffness with major beneficial effects upon cardiovascular mortality and morbidity.



    ps the phosphorus in plant protein is bound and unavailable unlike protein from BEEF which is freely available


    GIVE BEEF DA BOOT! :D
     
    #376     Nov 2, 2009



  7. 1.Phosphorus is (ESSENTIAL) everyone (NEED) phosphorus
    2.Salmon have MORE phosphorus per ounce than beef
    3. This article you show killthesunshine is talking about relationship of people with (KIDNEY PROBLEM and HEART DISEASE)
    The(HEALTHY) kidney take away the phosphorus from the body. So if the kidney is not working, yes, a person should lower the phosphorus.
     
    #377     Nov 2, 2009
  8. Is there such a thing as a "healthy" kidney, or is it some ideal? we have diseased kidney, we have aging kidney but what is a "healthy" kidney?

    animal consumption can lead to too much phosphorous which burdens aging kidneys (that's all us :) and can lead to stiffening of the artery.

    yes, if your kidney function is good MAYBE you can get away with it, for awhile. before it begins to take its toll ..MAYBE

    but why not just GIVE BEEF DA BOOT!

    and head trouble off at the pass

    it is called PREVENTION ever hear it :D

    can still eat some fish, but if your eating BOTH BEAST & FISH 3 times per day well good luck with that :D
     
    #378     Nov 2, 2009
  9. Banjo

    Banjo

  10. Too much sugar and starch in your diet will kill you faster than too much fat. Fat people get diabetes, cancer, and other diseases because they eat too much sugar and starch, not from eating too much fat. Lack of exersize doesn't help either.
     
    #380     Nov 3, 2009