the smallest move

Discussion in 'Index Futures' started by stephenszpak, Jul 23, 2005.

  1. Stephen,

    I do not know anything about scalping with this product, but I like what I see from the start.

    This footprint inside the candlestick is quite powerful for you to pull it all together and see the direction of the flow.

    I believe that if you can memorize the footprints through repetition and repeated hours of use, you will be able to get into your entries earlier and discover when to exit more efficiently also. Give it time as there is a lot to watch and learn on the fly.

    I am not using the product, but this would be what I would use if I were to learn scalping or wanted to improve on my entries and exits.

    In Retal Scalping you must have real low commissions, so I hope you have a lot of capital to commit and I hope your are a good negotiater, when driving your broker down to the level you need. This part of the business I regret, as everybody gets a different price, but thats America, and the one that has the biggest mouth, wins.

    Michael B.

     
    #31     Jul 26, 2005
  2. I think the idea is to see WHY a price is rising or falling.
    • Is there an abundnace of buyers? or a lack of sellers?
    • Is there a lack of buyers, or an abundance of sellers?
    • Will the price's ease of movement be long or short....
    • Are there any significant bids and offers?

    There are many other detals that the pro's will not share with you openly here on these boards.

    Michael B.
     
    #32     Jul 26, 2005

  3. This is an example: for the depth of market of nasdaq 100 emini futures, from interactive brokers - trader workstation. (TWS)

    The upper numbers represent the inside market. The lower numbers represent the depth of the bid and ask. Size represents the number of contracts for buy/sell. Hope this helps.
     
    #33     Jul 26, 2005
  4. From ElectricSavant:

    In Retal Scalping you must have real low commissions, so I hope you have a lot of capital to commit and I hope your are a good negotiater, when driving your broker down to the level you need. This part of the business I regret, as everybody gets a different price, but thats America, and the one that has the biggest mouth, wins.

    Michael B.

    Thanks Michael. I'm on the sidelines as you might remember.
    On the plus side, there is no way I can lose money in this
    market (hee, hee).

    I'm not sure if someone commented on the cost of commissions
    here. I thought I read that they were $5 per round turn for
    the E-mini S&P 500 futures. If that is correct this is what I
    computed:

    Scalping for single ticks only:

    12.50 - 5 = 7.50 trade is winner
    12.50 -5 =7.50 trade is winner
    12.50 -5 = 7.50 trade is winner
    -12.50 -5 = -17.50 trade is loser

    If this is right, then if 3 of 4 trades are winners,
    the profit is only $5. I would prefer a higher winning
    percentage than that.

    Maybe scalping would not be the best way to do
    this. One certainly misses all the big moves. It reminds
    me of the saying: "Don't just do something. Stand there."

    Someone here, in some post I've lost track of, said something
    like: "I keep my hand off the mouse."

    I checked out some of the video instruction that they offer
    at Market Delta. Don't get it yet. They used 5 minute bars
    for some of the presentation. Maybe 1 minute bars with
    candlevolume or equivolume would be helpful to someone (?).
    That is generic charting, not their stuff.

    I'll keep at it,

    Stephen Szpak
     
    #34     Jul 27, 2005
  5. Thanks, I did look at it.

    Stephen Szpak
     
    #35     Jul 27, 2005
  6. omniscient

    omniscient Guest

    stephen -

    i'm referring to the actual chart background. it is white and will remain white. i've corresponded with MD's developers regarding the topic and they confirmed it is not a changeable attribute.

    regarding whether or not it is a waste of your time, how can it be? if you come to the conclusion it is something that would not facilitate your trading you have not wasted your time. Edison went through thousands of iterations before designing the light bulb. in his mind he just discovered thousands of ways not to do something. keep what works, ditch what doesn't. no biggie.

    if you plan on scalping as a primary tactic, i think it is imperative to get lower commissions than $5/rt. most will give volume breaks, so the more you trade or the bigger you trade, the better rates you get.

    scalping is a very viable option, but that does not mean it has to be your only method. many traders scalp within a trade (go long, scalp up with adds and takeaways). others scalp against a position with other accounts (go long, scalp the short side on pullbacks in a different account). some do both. some neither.

    also, even within scalping there are countless variations. scalping doesn't mean you can't hold on for a big move. you could get in on a scalp, but then it really takes off in your favor. your scalp has now become more of a position trade. no worries. to each his own :)

    hth

    take care and gtty -

    omni
     
    #36     Jul 27, 2005
  7. syrre

    syrre

    You have to keep in mind you sometimes can steal 2 ticks (or even more!) also, and I do that more often than I have a losing trade.
     
    #37     Jul 27, 2005
  8. Also from syrre:

    well, in the way i am able to give a sort of advice i would say the most relevant/important thing you should do before trading, is watching the market depth A LOT, and try to get a "feeling" for the movements.

    What product do you use? Website?
    How many hours of practice before one reaches
    competency?

    Thanks if you have the time to respond,

    Stephen Szpak
     
    #38     Jul 27, 2005
  9. I've been looking at some of their videos today and yesterday.
    I know now you can't change the backround colors, but even the
    colors of the bars are *too* colorful. I believe this can be
    changed somewhat using their software.

    A thought, you might want to reduce the number of colors
    to 2 reddish and 2 blueish. Even this is probably too much.

    Think about this Market Delta "bar" looking downward:

    dark red
    light red
    dark blue
    light red
    light blue
    dark blue
    light red

    What is this? Maybe visually it would be easier to understand,
    but why not use one color for the entire bar? Blue or red?

    Or maybe split the bar at the midpoint and color code
    the top its color and the bottom its color?

    I personally like the concept of a neutral colored bar.
    How this could be done here is open to debate. I don't
    think this software would allow for it anyway.

    I don't know if what I've said could be done, but I think
    the displays in the videos as is, are *way* to colorful to
    allow for quick interpretation.

    Stephen Szpak
     
    #39     Jul 27, 2005
  10. Michael

    Didn't see any candlestick footprints. Unless I'm
    misunderstanding you here.

    What do you use? (time permitting)

    What are decent commissions and who has them? (time per.)

    Thanks, as always,

    Stephen Szpak
     
    #40     Jul 27, 2005