The Single-Family Home Tax Shelter Myth

Discussion in 'Economics' started by Martin Gale, May 2, 2006.

Does it pay to purchase a house for a tax shelter?

  1. Yes, thanks uncle sam

    18 vote(s)
    35.3%
  2. No, better off investing

    33 vote(s)
    64.7%
  1. balda

    balda

    $ 10K with 10% compounded interest over 30 years comes to about $175k
     
    #101     May 5, 2006
  2. balda

    balda

    I just used calculator from that site provided by Old Trader and found that only benefit to own if you are in a high TAX bracket.

    If you are in a low tax bracket you are at break even with renters,real benefit is homeownership.

    I used $1500 rent, 25K down 400K purchasing price. 15% tax bracket keeps renters at break even.
     
    #102     May 5, 2006
  3. You can live very well and not be one step away from BK. Unfortunately most people live highly leveraged. They dont see it as a problem. Funny thing though ... those people with extreme leverage seem to come and go while the folks that live comfortably using sensible fiscal discipline seem to endure .....
     
    #103     May 5, 2006
  4. maverick,

    are you a renter??


    surfer
     
    #104     May 5, 2006
  5. its forced savings aspect that make it advisable to buy in most cases even if the numbers favor renting.
    my parents were farmers. they never made a dime over living expenses their whole life. if they had rented they would have retired broke but since they bought they were able to sell the land and live off that money. the land value had increased 600% over their lifetime.
     
    #105     May 5, 2006
  6. In my area you can't rent a $400K house for $1500, nor can a guy in the 15% tax bracket afford a $400K house, or even have the $25K down payment.

    OldTrader
     
    #106     May 5, 2006
  7. Arnie

    Arnie

    One thing you guys are overlooking is that when you buy, you lock in the "price". Renting, you have exposure to increasing rents. Over a 30 year period I would think that would be a singnificant amount.

    I think this thread also overlooks that not everyone or location is the same. When I was appraising, I noticed in that in some areas you could rent a nice house for a fraction of what it would cost to buy (based on 20% down, 30 yr fixed). This was largely due to investors who were banking on future appreciation and not just the cash flow. Over the long, I would say owning RE is much better than renting, but in some cases it makes sense to rent.
     
    #107     May 5, 2006
  8. If you rent, there is little or no motivation to improve the place you live: paint it a different color, upgrade appliances, fixtures, landscaping. I understand that not everyone cares about such things however lots of folks do. Not everything is about money.
     
    #108     May 5, 2006
  9. "Over the long haul" perhaps yes. However, in this nomadic culture we live in these days, it's "the in between" that can be a killer. The consequences of a nomadic, housing "arbitrage" culture are just starting to be felt. What happens to all of these people who live in Phoenix or Las Vegas or most of Florida, etc, etc if/when they bought a property in the past 1-2 years? Has anyone seen the sky inventory of homes on the market in these places?

    So let's just assume someone had the misfortune of actually buying the highs in one of these markets and, God forbid, they didnt actually want to live there for 30 whole years. I mean it's not unreasonable that someone might want to move before the 30 years are up on the mortgage. What happens when they try to sell into a soft market? What if they have to move for any number of different reasons?

    Why is it that all the home vs. renting advocates are too insecure to actually illustrate the numerous obstacles to home ownership if you don't actually stay situated in one place for the duration? Instead, we hear the littany of benefits.

    (Oh and FWIW, for all you guys who think that no one has ever lost significant money being a home buyer in the US, why don't you take a look at Buffalo, NY? The place has hundreds of homes for sale in the low 5 figures).
     
    #109     May 5, 2006
  10. ElCubano

    ElCubano

    this is priceless for someone like me.....I love HGTV and work around my house on a weekly basis..as a mtter of fact i know im old cuz i like doing this better than going to happy hour any more.....:D

    and while enjoying this my house has increased over 100% for sure ..and thats on the very low side....think about it i put 20 k down 5 yrs ago paid my mortgage as if renting and now have about $200k in equity...
     
    #110     May 5, 2006