The shutdown saved hundreds of thousands of lives.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Cuddles, Jun 7, 2020.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Shutdowns prevented 60 million coronavirus infections in the United States
    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/sh...virus-infections-in-the-united-states-report/

    A new study reveals that roughly 60 million Americans were saved from novel coronavirus infections as a result of the shutdown orders implemented throughout the United States during the pandemic. That means about 18% of the country’s population avoided a coronavirus infection as a result, likely reducing the death toll by six or seven figures.

    The report, which was published in the journal Nature, modeled infection and disease spread using well-established public health models. Researchers determined that, without public health–informed shutdown measures, early infection rates increased by 43 percent per day on average both in the United States and in five other countries including China, France, Iran, Italy and South Korea. (The authors noted that the average fell to 38 percent when Iran, which had an unusually high growth rate, was omitted from the equation.)

    The authors analyzed the data from these countries both prior to and during the periods when strict containment policies were imposed.

    “We find that the deployment of anti-contagion policies in all six countries significantly and substantially slowed the pandemic,” they concluded.

    The authors then estimated that, had these measures not been taken, there would have been 60 million more infections and 4.8 million more confirmed cases in the United States.

    They also estimated that, without shutdown measures, there would have been 285 million more infections and 37 million more confirmed cases in China; 38 million more infections and 11.5 million more confirmed cases in South Korea; and 49 million more infections and 2.1 million more confirmed cases in Italy.

    “Some policies have different impacts on different populations, but we obtain consistent evidence that the policy packages now deployed are achieving large, beneficial, and measurable health outcomes,” the authors wrote. “We estimate that across these six countries, interventions prevented or delayed on the order of 62 million confirmed cases, corresponding to averting roughly 530 million total infections.”

    They added that they hoped their findings would assist governments in determining “whether or when these policies should be deployed, intensified, or lifted, and they can support decision-making in the other 180+ countries where COVID-19 has been reported.”

    Public health measures in the United States have become a political lightning rod, with many conservatives conflating economic restrictions aimed at protecting life with their own twisted notion of liberty. Many anti-lockdown protests have centered on celebrating Sweden for its laissez-faire approach to the pandemic; said protesters employed about the slogan “be more like Sweden” to tout their belief that the country had supposedly not suffered as a result of their lax attitude. Public health data debunks this: Sweden’s per capita death toll from COVID-19 is among the highest in the world, with roughly 43.88 deaths out of every 100,000 people. By contrast Norway has a COVID-19 death rate of 4.46 out of every 100,000 people and Denmark’s rate is roughly 10.00 out of every 100,000 people. The United States has a death rate of 32.45 out of every 100,000 people
     
    #21     Jun 9, 2020
  2. Is that the stimulus package that was supposed to put some unemployeds back to work with "shovel-ready jobs"... but instead ended up going to unions to shore-up their pensions??
     
    #22     Jun 9, 2020
  3. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    so Denmark & Norway have a similar pop. density & healthcare system to Sweden & 10x less cases. Imagine us w/10x more cases/deaths from following Sweden? crazy
     
    #23     Jun 9, 2020
  4. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Love all the "studies" coming out on how the shutdown saved the world. That's how you know it is bullshit. Gotta do the post-propaganda so we don't see what a massive mistake it was.
     
    #24     Jun 9, 2020
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  5. jem

    jem

    I am sure those models assumed that asymptomatic people spread the virus.
    If what the WHO has said about masks being useless when not caring for the sick
    and the asymptomatic rarely spread.

    Then the shutdown did next to nothing outside the clusters where hospitals were overwhelmed.

    All that needed to happen were that the high risk were isolated and the authorities be prepared to shut down clusters and contact trace the symptomatic people spreading the virus.

    here is one the top people at the WHO telling you exactly that.


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    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asy...-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

    “What we really want to be focused on is following the symptomatic cases,” Van Kerkhove said. “If we actually followed all of the symptomatic cases, isolated those cases, followed the contacts and quarantined those contacts, we would drastically reduce” the outbreak.
     
    #25     Jun 9, 2020
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    JEM -stop posting fake crap.

    In less than 24 hours, WHO completely walks back their statement.

    Coronavirus Live Updates: W.H.O. Walks Back Claim That Asymptomatic Transmission is Rare
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/09/world/coronavirus-updates.html

    A top expert at the World Health Organization on Tuesday walked back her earlier assertion that transmission of the coronavirus by people who do not have symptoms is “very rare.”

    Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, who made the original comment at a W.H.O. briefing on Monday, said that it was based on just two or three studies and that it was a “misunderstanding” to say asymptomatic transmission is rare globally.

    “I was just responding to a question, I wasn’t stating a policy of W.H.O. or anything like that,” she said.

    Dr. Van Kerkhove said that the estimates of transmission from people without symptoms come primarily from models, which may not provide an accurate representation. “That’s a big open question, and that remains an open question,” she said.
     
    #26     Jun 9, 2020
  7. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Surely the correction will be seen by as many people
     
    #27     Jun 9, 2020
  8. jem

    jem

    1. it was not fake... that is why it had to be walked back... not denyed.
    2. based on the clusters it is probably still true... but it may be rarely instead of very rarely.
    3. I said "if" what the WHO has said...

    You or someone made a comment yesterday about it having to be walked back...
    and realizing how big a statement it was... I realize there will be tremendous poltical
    pressure to walk it back... a few posts later I said it may be walked back.

    what we really need is some transparnecy and the data.

     
    #28     Jun 9, 2020
  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Good luck with your assertions... go live your fantasy.
     
    #29     Jun 9, 2020
  10. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    models....
     
    #30     Jun 9, 2020