The Shorting of Frauds, Overhyped and Bankrupt Stocks Journal

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Daal, Jun 8, 2012.

  1. Clobbered how in your opinion? Lawsuits stemming from the Glaucus report? Reputational damage leading to lost business? Or just the usual failure to realize the alleged advantages of the merger?
     
    #421     Dec 5, 2012
  2. Daal

    Daal

    At some point people will find out the teas have pesticides, either through the press or by government enforcement. SBUX will be forced to get new suppliers and restructure the company to meet higher quality standards. Margins will drop, costs will rise. They vastly overpaid for this

    Only nice thing about the loss will be seeing SBUXs post a large goodwill writedown down the road
     
    #422     Dec 5, 2012
  3. Daal

    Daal

    Somehow I lost money shorting AAPL today. I don't want to chase anymore, will watch AAPL for a bounce play

    I'm going to have to stick to the more liquid stocks in this journal because I don't to mess up good shorts by crowding it
     
    #423     Dec 5, 2012
  4. luisHK

    luisHK

    FWIW IB shows no more TEA shares available to short, and a borrow rate of 45%. Worse than yesterday, and nasty to have to pay this rate for 3 days until settlement for those who covered today (I did for the remaining shares shares, still hold some short calls ).

    It seems new shares were shorted throughout the day. Does it make sense for TEA to still be heavily shorted ?

    Search Result Historical Rates Historical Rates

    Name Teavana Holdings Inc
    Number of Lenders with Inventory 0
    Symbol @ Exchange TEA @ NYSE
    ISIN Code XXXXXXXP1021
    Country United States
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    Rebate Rate* -45.33%
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    Fee Rate** 45.5%

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    #424     Dec 5, 2012
  5. Daal

    Daal

    Yesterday there was a lot of weird action in the stock, I even considered there was insider trading of some kind. I don't know who is shorting so aggressively. There could be some potential shorting at 15.40+ hoping for a last minute backout, I just don't know, SBUX didn't even left the language vague they just flat out said they will buy it and even gave a time table
     
    #425     Dec 5, 2012
  6. I was wondering about that yesterday too. Only thing it could possibly be at this point is FDA action against Teavana, remembering that Glaucus contended a number of their teas would have qualified as adulterated and therefore subject to seizure if the FDA so chose. Nothing else would justify a short of it now.
    Not terribly likely, I think.
     
    #426     Dec 5, 2012
  7. Daal

    Daal

    I thought there was 2 possibilities
    -Someone wanted to short badly ahead of SBUX analyst day as a bet
    -Someone knew something, along the lines of private studies indicating that the teas were in fact adulterated and they just didn't think the deal would go ahead

    These borrow rates are just ridiculous, I don't know what the hell is going on with the SSFs, TEA has them but the market makers are gone, yet you can still send orders in. If I could have shorted them I would have locked a rate bellow 10% a long time ago. Does anyone know if in M&A type situations the market markers just disappear like that on single stock futures?
    This is just bizarre to me
     
    #427     Dec 5, 2012
  8. never traded ssf's, but can's you just sit on ask?
     
    #428     Dec 5, 2012
  9. Daal

    Daal

    Yes, but I don't think you will get filled unless you are wrong(stock moves, there is news, etc)
     
    #429     Dec 5, 2012
  10. Daal: Regarding TEA, I wouldn't worry about people on here.
    But TEA was a Herb Greenberg play, it was all over his twitter, and some of the big boys read that stuff. (or the other way around)
     
    #430     Dec 5, 2012