The September 10th Presidential Debate

TimtheEnchanter · Sep 13, 2024

Spike Trader said:
Look ......and that's without selling sneakers and NFT's.

Harris sees largest 24-hour fundraising haul since entering race: report

Vice President Kamala Harris raised a staggering $47 million — just in the 24 hours after the debate in Philadelphia, reported The New York Times on Thursday.

The new haul, according to the report, included donations from 600,000 people. The Times noted the number amounts to Harris' largest 24-hour fund-raising period since she entered the race in July — and raised $81 million on her first day.

"Ms. Harris already had a significant financial edge over Mr. Trump entering September," the Times said. "Her operation said it had $404 million cash on hand, while Mr. Trump had $295 million."
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Both have enough $$$ so this is a nothing burger.

exGOPer · Sep 13, 2024

Bomb threats on Friday forced the evacuation and closure of public schools and municipal buildings for a second consecutive day, as the city continues to deal with sudden national attention due to false claims involving its Haitian population,” NBC News reports.

“Donald Trump and his running mate, JD Vance, have pushed those false claims as part of a broader effort to use Springfield as an example for what they say are the harmful consequences of immigration.”

gwb-trading · Sep 13, 2024

The entire world is laughing at this idiot and mocking him.

Trump's 'idiotic moment" has turned him into an international 'laughing stock'
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-migrant-pets/

Atlantic · Sep 13, 2024

gwb-trading said:
The entire world is laughing at this idiot and mocking him.

Trump's 'idiotic moment" has turned him into an international 'laughing stock'
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-migrant-pets/
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"moment" ?

gwb-trading · Sep 13, 2024

exGOPer said:
Bomb threats on Friday forced the evacuation and closure of public schools and municipal buildings for a second consecutive day, as the city continues to deal with sudden national attention due to false claims involving its Haitian population,” NBC News reports.

“Donald Trump and his running mate, JD Vance, have pushed those false claims as part of a broader effort to use Springfield as an example for what they say are the harmful consequences of immigration.”
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This in-depth news story outlines what the people of Springfield think of Trump his lies turned the city of 60,000 into a terror target for MAGA extremists.

'I want Vance to apologize': We went to Springfield and found community hurt — and divided
https://www.rawstory.com/raw-investigates/vance-springfield/

newwurldmn · Sep 14, 2024

gwb-trading said:
This in-depth news story outlines what the people of Springfield think of Trump his lies turned the city of 60,000 into a terror target for MAGA extremists.

'I want Vance to apologize': We went to Springfield and found community hurt — and divided
https://www.rawstory.com/raw-investigates/vance-springfield/
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“keep spreading the memes”
-jd Vance

elderado · Sep 14, 2024

Nicely done.

ph1l · Sep 14, 2024

https://www.newsguardrealitycheck.com/p/origins-haitians-eating-pets-claim

Triple Hearsay: Original Sources of the Claim that Haitians Eat Pets in Ohio Admit No First-Hand Knowledge
“I’m not sure I’m the most credible source because I don’t actually know the person who lost the cat,” Kimberly Newton told NewsGuard. She is the Springfield, Ohio, resident whose story started it all
Sep 12, 2024

Sam Howard and Jack Brewster

How a rumor involving an unidentified cat owner ended up on the presidential debate stage.
In just days, a bizarre and baseless claim accusing Haitian migrants of eating pet cats in Springfield, Ohio, went from an obscure Facebook post in a private group to a talking point by Republican Donald Trump during Tuesday night’s presidential debate.

The journey of the viral claim from vague, third hand gossip among Ohio neighbors to the presidential debate stage — where it was broadcast to 67 million people — is as stunning as the claim itself, according to those who started it all.

NewsGuard identified and tracked down the two people central to the claim: Erika Lee, the Springfield resident who wrote the original Facebook post, and Kimberly Newton, the neighbor who had provided her with a third-hand account of the rumor, making Lee’s social media post a fourth-hand account: the alleged acquaintance/cat owner; Newton’s friend; Newton; and Lee, who posted it on Facebook.

In exclusive interviews, NewsGuard spoke both with Lee, a 35-year-old hardware store worker who has lived in Springfield for four years, and Newton, her neighbor and a 12-year resident of Springfield. The interviews reveal just how flimsy and unsubstantiated the rumor was from the beginning — based entirely on third hand hearsay. Yet it quickly gained traction and, remarkably, found its way to Trump’s lips on a national stage.

“I’m not sure I’m the most credible source because I don’t actually know the person who lost the cat,” Newton said about the rumor she had passed on to her neighbor, Lee, the Facebook poster. Newton explained to NewsGuard that the cat owner was “an acquaintance of a friend” and that she heard about the supposed incident from that friend, who, in turn, learned about it from “a source that she had.” Newton added: “I don’t have any proof.”

That adds up to three people with no firsthand knowledge of the allegedly victimized cat: Newton’s “friend,” Newton, and then her neighbor Lee. Or perhaps it’s four people if we count the “source” that Newton says her “friend” relied on.

How a Third Hand Account Reached Millions

Lee’s Facebook post appears to have made its way to X on Sept. 5, when an account called @BuckeyeGirrl shared a redacted screenshot.
Lee’s since-deleted Facebook post first appeared in a private Springfield Facebook group called “Springfield Ohio Crime and Information” earlier this month (Lee could not recall the exact date). The post said: “My neighbor [Newton] informed me that her daughters [sic] friend had lost her cat. … One day she came home from work, as soon as she stepped out of her car, looked towards a neighbors house, where Haitians live, & saw her cat hanging from a branch, like you’d do a deer for butchering, & they were carving it up to eat.”

(However, Newton told NewsGuard that the connection to the acquaintance was not through her daughter.)

The claim jumped from Facebook to X on Sept. 5, when a conservative user named @BuckeyeGirrl posted a screenshot of Lee’s post, with Lee’s name redacted.

On Sept. 9, city officials said they had no evidence of pets being stolen, injured, or eaten by the immigrant population in Springfield. In an emailed statement to NewsGuard, a city official said: “In response to recent rumors alleging criminal activity by the immigrant population in our city, we wish to clarify that there have been no credible reports or specific claims of pets being harmed, injured, or abused by individuals within the immigrant community.”

Nonetheless, on Sept. 10, the story reached the national stage. “In Springfield, they're eating the dogs. The people that came in, they're eating the cats. They're eating the pets of the people that live there,” Trump declared as fact during the debate. (He was fact-checked in real-time by debate co-moderator David Muir of ABC News.)

Lee, who described herself to NewsGuard as a Democrat who supports Donald Trump, told us that she was “shocked” to see Trump repeat the claim that she had made in a private Facebook group. "Honestly, it blew me away,” Lee said. “I didn't think that any of this would explode to the presidency.”

Despite extensive news coverage debunking the pet claims that she helped propel into the national discourse with a Facebook post, Lee said that she has not followed the story closely. “Actually, I haven’t really been following the news much on it at all,” she said. “I’ve only really seen it like on Facebook, what things pop up on my news feed, or what other people have shared on things that they have read up on.”

As for how the story has shed a negative light on the thousands of Haitian migrants who have settled in Springfield, Lee said she was “just trying to inform people, you know, again, not saying Haitians as a whole [are] bad.”

For her part, Newton, Lee’s neighbor, said she remains concerned that the influx of Haitians is negatively affecting the city’s healthcare and education systems.

“I think it was two years ago now, I went to the [Bureau of Motor Vehicles] to renew my license or my tags. I can't remember, but I was sitting in the BMV, and the only way I know to describe it is I felt like … I was transported, because all around me it was people talking a different language. … I felt like I was the minority,” she said.

How NewsGuard Tracked Down the Originator of the Claim

To identify the people behind the claim, NewsGuard analyzed the redacted version of the original Facebook post (see screenshot below) that had been shared online by conservative accounts. This hid the name of the account holder. The redacted version included a photo of the account owner from the original post and partially displayed the tops of the letters of the poster’s name, allowing us to guess the name “Erika.” After NewsGuard failed to find a matching Facebook profile, we searched through local social media pet groups for the name “Erika” and found Lee’s profile. We contacted Lee who then connected us to Newton.

The original Facebook post by Erika Lee in the private “Springfield Ohio Crime and Information” group, which was then screen-shotted onto X, which sparked a viral and baseless rumor later repeated by Donald Trump during a presidential debate. The name was redacted by conservative accounts who shared it.
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So it was all just a misunderstanding.

Now, for those of you who believed Haitian migrants were eating pets in Springfield, you shouldn't feel stupid because some supersmart people (JD Vance and Donald Trump) were fooled too.

long · Sep 14, 2024

I’m traveling in Colorado and today we had lunch in Boulder (one of the most liberal places in the country). I drove past Target and there were about 15 Trump supporters holding signs by the stoplight. After lunch I drove back by and there was about 10 police cars with flashing lights. I’m curious what happened to need that much police presence. Anybody on here have contacts in Boulder?

newwurldmn · Sep 14, 2024

Jd Vance knew it was fake and still asked people to spread it and meme it.

ph1l said:
https://www.newsguardrealitycheck.com/p/origins-haitians-eating-pets-claim

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So it was all just a misunderstanding.

Now, for those of you who believed Haitian migrants were eating pets in Springfield, you shouldn't feel stupid because some supersmart people (JD Vance and Donald Trump) were fooled too.
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