The S&P has topped

Discussion in 'Trading' started by volente_00, Mar 1, 2017.

The S&P has topped

  1. Yes

    39.0%
  2. Hell no you are smoking crack

    61.0%
  1. volente_00

    volente_00

    And people wonder why the real traders no longer post anymore on et. If your wrong you get bashed, if you are right you get bashed. But I digress as the fact remains the S&P topped last week regardless of how much the negative nancies wanted me to be wrong.
     
    #201     Mar 6, 2017
  2. bone

    bone

    I'm a Spread Trader. But, I would imagine that if someone held a gun to my head and forced me to pick a top in the S&P I would have gotten short around February of 2016 and then puked my guts out around July 2016 - based on Weekly bars. Now, this is just me, but to call a top for a long running macro trend like we're in currently I would definitely sacrifice trading range for confirmation - there's lots of downside support targets and yeah, there's plenty of burnt bears out there so getting enough fresh shorts into the market to push the longs over the cliff is going to be tough. This rally is indeed extended but every sell-off since 2009 has been relatively short-lived and shallow on the Weekly.
     
    #202     Mar 6, 2017
  3. Volente...if this is your style then go for it! I hope you succeed. It's not my style to call a top like you, but so what...I still like your bravery.:)
     
    #203     Mar 6, 2017
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  4. volente_00

    volente_00

    What's the benefit of spread trading an index in a one way market ?
     
    #204     Mar 6, 2017
  5. Gotcha

    Gotcha

    See.. this I find interesting. You're gonna short when price is so far from the top? Sure, now you have that confirmation on your side after already a huge drop, but shit man, its so far off the top that even if we rally back up, which we did, it doesn't invalidate the short, but you're puking as you say.

    ES-201703-GLOBEX [CV]  Weekly  #15 2017-03-06  19_55_11.827.png

    The equivalent now is shorting when... 2300? 2250? which is over 100 points from the top and expecting even more down action. For me, the R:R is not skewed in my favor.
     
    #205     Mar 6, 2017
  6. Gotcha

    Gotcha

    Oh.. I should point out that I'm not saying you're shorting on the low of the bar, just simply that this is the first bar in February, so its somewhere around here.
     
    #206     Mar 7, 2017
  7. volpri

    volpri

    The s&p has not topped. Just a pb. Sorry.
     
    #207     Mar 7, 2017
  8. bone

    bone

    Close enough for discussion purposes. I would have targeted 135-140ish support area from 2011/12. My conversational input is that with such a strong, long standing macro trend IMO it makes sense to give up some trading range in exchange for confirmation. And, my working thesis hasn't worked on this particular market up to this point - you can see the bear traps in 2010, 2011, 2015, 2016. On the other hand, in terms of predictions timing legit MACRO market tops hasn't worked either.

    Real estate markets are getting stronger and headhunters say that they are getting demand like they haven't seen in a decade - obviously, there are great economic expectations already priced into the market and we are coming out of 8 years of really tepid growth.

    Hopefully Volente is right sooner than later and he can have his victory lap.
     
    Last edited: Mar 7, 2017
    #208     Mar 7, 2017
  9. Gotcha

    Gotcha

    To be honest though, this doesn't sound much like trading and more so investing. I'm not saying a trader has to put on a few positions every day, but even swing traders are probably putting on at least a few a week. With the weekly charts you mention, and the huge stops or targets you have, there really isn't much to do most weeks.
     
    #209     Mar 7, 2017
  10. Stocks go up, and stocks go down; people look up, but refuse to look down.
     
    #210     Mar 7, 2017