I know you probably know this, but you're wasting your time trying to reason with the Alcoholic Troll. He will simply ignore you when you quote specific things he's said and ask him to explain them. I gave up long ago. That's why now, whenever I see him posting some idiotic piece of garbage, I just post in a few sentences why it's an idiotic piece of garbage and then tell him to go fuck himself. This thread just goes into the file under the heading 'Another thread where the AssHat Troll posted some filth and got his head handed to him on a silver platter'. Isn't it interesting that no one, and I mean no one has chimed in here to take his side. I guess most people, when asked whether it's morally acceptable for a 45-year old man to anally rape a 10 year old child, don't need to ask 'well, what are the criteria for deciding what's too young? Maybe 10 is okay but 9 is too young? Or maybe 9 is okay but 8 is too young? It all depends!!'.
Mav88, there's probably no need for me to repost this, since you're not giving the troll the frustrated angry responses it craves so dearly... but hey, you might find it interesting anyways. Written two years ago, but true as it ever was. Old trolls aren't especially good at learning new tricks. _______________ A team of dedicated troll zoologists has spent the past five years observing the troll in its natural habitat. Here are their findings: <b>Trolling 101:</b> If you happen to play poker, understand that professional trolls utilize a very similar strategy: Tight-aggressive <b>Tight:</b> Don't give the victim an inch! Never admit the possibility of ever having been wrong. Never say anything which can be remotely useful or helpful to anyone. Never provide the prey with a single word he may wish to hear. Give nothing! <b>Aggressive:</b> Focus! Your goal is not conversation or debate, but the exact opposite- nihilism. Mercy is merely a handicap of the weak. You are a disease with only one goal in mind: <b>writing whatever it takes to piss off the victim.</b> Contradict yourself all the time, repeat the victim's words verbatim like a bratty child, take the high road and repeatedly request that the victim stay on topic, post in every single thread and then accuse the victim of 'stalking' when he shows up in one of them, make ridiculous statements- but do it assertively and repeatedly, but most importantly: <b>Laugh when nothing is funny! Laugh at the victim constantly, use smiley faces, and pretend to completely miss every single point he tries to make. Remember, looking like a complete idiot yourself is unavoidable if you wish to troll at the professional level.</b> Another key troll tactic is the practice of <b>winning by losing.</b> While the victim is trying to put forward solid and convincing facts to prove his position, the troll's only goal is to infuriate its prey. The troll takes (what it knows to be) a badly flawed, wholly illogical argument, and then vigorously defends it while mocking and insulting its prey. The troll looks like a complete idiot, but this is all part of the plan. The victim becomes noticeably angry by trying to repeatedly explain the flaws of the troll's argument. Provoking this anger was the troll's one and only goal from the very beginning. Another important trolling tip I learned by observing LoZZZer's work: The lioness does not indiscriminately launch an attack on every animal she wishes to eat. She stalks her prey, determining which specific individual antelope is weak, tired and slow. The expert troll must use this very approach, as not every post is worth trolling. ZTroll specifically waits for someone to discuss a topic which is of great personal importance to the prey. With an innate sense of unyielding discipline- a product of millions of years of painstaking troll evolution, ZTroll crouches in the brush, patiently waiting for an <b>emotional, dedicated post.</b> A post where the prey feels so strongly about a certain topic, he can't restrain his emotional enthusiasm when arguing his point. Any post of this sort in P&R is guaranteed to spark a LoZZZer trolling effort. The predator will then deftly pounce upon its prey, pretending to laugh hysterically at the victim's strong willed, passionate assertions while distorting them in straw-man fashion. Eye on the prize, the creature will then tightly lock its fangs around the prey's neck, clinging tightly to the jugular while deftly wringing the life from its prey until the victim <i><b> cracks</i></b>- i.e., becomes highly frustrated and visibly redfaced. This in turn provides the troll with its well earned nourishment, as well as the creature's only source of sexual gratification: <b> Furious anger and anguish. </b> Thus, the circle of life continues.
You have refuted no one. "I also notice you have no effective response to my point that at one time slavery was a lawful practice, and according to you then judgement should not have been passed." The very fact that we did have slavery, that slavery was considered both moral and legal by the majority, demonstrates that our own country and its ideas of moral and legality are mutable and not absolute. We have had to evolve, and for us now to sit in judgment of other cultures outside of our jurisdiction to feel superior to them, to feel "more evolved as a culture than them" demonstrates how little we have really evolved. Oh yes, we point to their shit and say that really stinks, meanwhile we are smearing our own shit all over our own society... Let's make a deal, ok? When we have perfected our society, when we have completed the evolution of our society to that Utopian perfection, then we are in a position to sit and judge other cultures and look down our long and crooked noses at them... If they break our laws in our country, then punish them. To demand that they adhere to our laws, mores, religious beliefs, etc. in their own sovereign nation is a form of narcissism and madness. It really is enough that we follow our own laws and take care of our own shit first...something Americans detest doing. So easy to hate the other cultures as a means not to rectify the inequity and problems in our own. I have said before the closest thing to perfection in a moral framework is the application of the golden rule. Just ask yourself, when other countries condemn America for its behavior based on their own culture, do you think it is fine and dandy that they do so? If they had a stronger military and could by force conquer our country and cram their values down our throats then you would say that is a good thing simply because might makes it right? Again, you have refuted no one...
Ah, a golden oldie from RM's fantasy collection... Took you what, 2 or 3 weeks in isolation to dream that one up? Anything to avoid the thread where the majority of respondents to your poll looked upon you as just a common junkie... Of course, that was when you were singing the praises of boop, poop, a dope... Gotta wonder how long you were chasing the dragon and posting on ET as if you were "cured" through the miracle of boop poop...now that would be a real act of hypocrisy.
As long as we are doing the golden oldie thingy... <img src=http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=2273891>
They are not some isolated tribe we never deal with, the fact is they interact with us economically and politically, immigrate here, and have no problem whatsoever passing very public and damning judgments on us even to the point of incorporating hatred of us within their religion. On the one point of sex with ten years olds, our culture is better, if only for medical reasons. You assert a logical fallacy that we should never judge until we are perfect. That is stupid for obvious reasons (see below). Rather immature I would say. People can and should judge each other's actions, otherwise the evolution process doesn't happen. Also interesting is that when we don't judge, such as the case when we buy goods made from child labor, it is people like you, and the American left, who howl precisely because we don't insist that our values are upheld in a foreign country. Another blatant self contradiction, lol! The moral relativist proposes an absolute goal of societal perfection. Of course Utopia would be defined by you I assume.... When you grow up and can construct arguments that at least are not self-contradictory, then maybe you can have an adult conversation. For now you had better get back to that America-hating liberal arts lowlife professor you learned from and ask for your money back.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7848503.stm Thank God the Danes have more common sense than the Alcoholic Troll ZZZzzzzzzz. What would he say? He'd say something like this "Who are you to say that mutilating a child's genitalia is morally reprehensible? Who are you to say that 'civilization' means nothing if we cannot censure those that engage in these practices and outlaw them forever? These are their customs and if they engage in that behaviour here in the West, they must be supported in their right to do so and we must make sure that we provide them with health care when the child presents at an emergency clinic bleeding internally'. The he'd burp, and try to remember what he just said because he's piss drunk. Egypt and Eritrea have banned this monstrous practice. Other countries will follow. However, the fucking moron Troll will still be burping and farting about how these butchers' rights must be protected.
Excellent call, Mav. Watch as the Idiot Troll wastes thousands of words avoiding the contradictions in his position. There is no better example of his technique, which is just to make shit up as he goes along, than this. Any day now, we're going to get the pink rabbit posts starting up again. Then we'll know for sure that his alcoholic relapse has begun in earnest and that he's piss drunk in his walk-up, frittering away what's left of his pathetic life.
"People can and should judge each other's actions, otherwise the evolution process doesn't happen." Dogs and can and do lick themselves, so human beings should do the same? If we want our society to evolve, to have our own culture evolve towards something better, than wasting time pointing to other societies claiming ourselves superior is not the way our own evolution is going to happen. "The moral relativist proposes an absolute goal of societal perfection. Of course Utopia would be defined by you I assume...." I propose that until we have perfected ourselves, until we obey all of our own laws, we don't waste time in comparing our laws and values to the laws and values of other societies. "Another blatant self contradiction, lol! The moral relativist proposes an absolute goal of societal perfection. Of course Utopia would be defined by you I assume...." The closest thing to Utopia would be an application of the Golden rule by everyone, and we could start right here in America by implementing that rule as a prime directive. "When you grow up and can construct arguments that at least are not self-contradictory, then maybe you can have an adult conversation. For now you had better get back to that America-hating liberal arts lowlife professor you learned from and ask for your money back." Oh my gosh, you view yourself as all grown up constructing adult arguments... You have exposed yourself as an authoritarian totalitarian right winger who would imposes his values on the lives of all others... Enough said, thanks for completely outing yourself as an intellectual adolescent...
"On the one point of sex with ten years olds, our culture is better, if only for medical reasons. You assert a logical fallacy that we should never judge until we are perfect. That is stupid for obvious reasons (see below). Rather immature I would say." There was an old commercial about dog food that went like this: "My dog's better than your dog, My dog's better than yours. My dog's better 'cause He eats Ken-L-Ration, My dog's better than yours." Reminds me of your lunacy above. Rape is against the law in our country, so is child molestation. We have ages of consent for marriage, driving, drinking, etc. I have never suggested that those laws be changed, I would like to see them enforced to a greater extent. However, how other countries make their laws, and how they base their laws on their own culture is none of our business...just as it is none of our business what they feed their dogs. It is not our country, we have no more right to judge them than they have to judge us... If it is right to judge other cultures, then if Germany or Russia got the nuclear bomb first, and they became the top dog, then it would be right for them to judge other cultures simply because they "can and they will"? Ludicrous...