The real tragedy ... education

Discussion in 'Economics' started by scriabinop23, Apr 6, 2008.

  1. I think only Pa(b)st said anything close to that.

    I think this might (and this is pure conjecture) have something to do with blacks tend to hold themselves back more than other races. NOT b/c they are stupid or lazy, but more b/c of the stigma of slavery and racism that makes many feel they don't have a chance no matter how hard they try. I would love to change this. Even if I can't stop the racism and hatred, if I can help give some the hope of success as the reward for applying oneself then it would be a good start.

    I already mentioned my 2 friends from high school that dropped out due to this stigma. let me now relate a story of another black classmate I had that overcame. This bright guy was also smart like my other two friends. He applied himself did the schoolwork. At graduation he was able to get 3million in military scholarships and went on to study NUCLEAR ENGINEERING. These 3 boys were all intelligent, all went to the SAME school, had the SAME teachers, AND had the SAME skin color. Why did 2 drop out and 1 become successful?
     
    #71     Apr 8, 2008
  2. Here's a timely article from the New York Village Voice ... it seems that we are not the only one's who think there is a problem with the educational system.

    Public Schools are Failing Black Boys
     
    #72     Apr 9, 2008
  3. God Article. I applaud P. Aurora Robinson and if every parent regardless of race gave their children that level of commitment the world would be a much better place. I am not saying that every child needs to be home schooled but the parents do need to play an active role in their children's education.
     
    #73     Apr 9, 2008
  4. Yeah, I commend her too.

    These boys are going to have to get their social skills up to par in a different venue, but she cut through all that other bullshit real fast! :D

    ... and it lets them know that somebody has their back in the world. :cool:
     
    #74     Apr 9, 2008

  5. I know that it's impossible for us non-blacks to truly understand what it's like to be black in America, however...

    <b>Can you name a few of the biggest misconceptions that non-black people have on this subject? Which misconceptions bother you the most?</b>
    Also, am I wrong in thinking that young whites tend to be far less racially biased than old whites... so therefore the trend is more or less headed in the right direction overall?
     
    #75     Apr 9, 2008
  6. 1. Intelligence - It took the whites that I know years to realize how intelligent (not smart, that's a different attribute) I am, it's like they were shocked and would always say "you're different".

    2. How deeply certain mis-perceptions and mis-conceptions are ingrained in White America. A lot of people can't help thinking the way they think, it's how they are programmed. This goes hand-in-hand with your perceptions of young whites being less racially biased than the older whites ain't necessarily so. They are taught from a very young age to be leery of african-americans.

    3. Many whites have a sense of entitlement, arrogance and pressumption that they "know" everything. Not true. They know what their experience in this life has taught them and the feedback they get from their actions which is in part determined by the "reality tunnel" in which they live.

    4. The difficulty of "making it" in venues where you are not in control. You might get your foot in the door ... but you'll have to work very hard to stay there, and will most likely be the first to get the boot when times get tough. I don't doubt that this in part is the reason many blacks who otherwise would try to achieve some of their loftier goals ... don't (instead of a 60-70% success rate, you get a 30% success rate).

    5. The concept that "all blacks are the same". Making a blanket statement like this is as foolish as saying that all whites are the same, you have many different groups (Italian, German, French, Russian, etc.) and of course, sub-groups within those groups. And then you have the economic divisions. It's the same with african-americans and all of the other different nationalities. It's even more complicated when you are mixed-race / bi-racial. Because then you will assimilate both cultures.

    6. Being educated and having knowledge will help in many things, but you will still face the reality of everyday oppression which exists in culture. This is a weird phenomena and the best description I can give traders of it is when you get what looks like an ideal setup, everything looks cool, you enter a position ... and the market reverses and totally fucking hoses you. Now, this happens over and over and over again. It would make you very very wary of ever entering the market, and likewise, it makes you very wary of trusting whites (well, you do, but only to a degree).

    7. Blacks should work together to better their lot. Shrug, if they could by now, they would have. They can't. Blacks have a "King of the Hill/Top Dog" mentality, and everybody wants to be the King/Big Dog. So you catch it coming and going ... all the time.
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    Ultimately all education does is maybe give you the tools you need to achieve your goals. What you discover through living is that you are going to have to find your own way, bust your hump and be nice to women, because they tend to be the only ones who will care about you or give you the "benefit of the doubt". Everything else is going to be pretty much "doggy dog" (dog eat dog).

    As far as your comment about timeline is concerned, I belive it takes centuries to effect human change on a macro level. On a micro level, there are many other countries that blacks can go to and receive more hospitable treatment than America ... and they do. I'm lucky that I got to experience a few of them along the way.

    Thanks for listening.
     
    #76     Apr 9, 2008
  7. Also, am I wrong in thinking that young whites tend to be far less racially biased than old whites.
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    This is the impression I have also. This is my theory.

    "Old whites", those raised in the 40's 50's left the city and moved to the growing "suburbs" leaving behind their parents and the house they grew up in. (Cut to the chase here, perception). The black people moved in and trashed neighborhood, "old whitey" felt disrepected, "look what has happened to the place I grew up in". Resentment grew.

    The younger generation does not have a direct basis, such as the above, to harbor ill will, hence less bias. Although the children of biased parents may have some seeds of predjudice, society is working on it, through education in schools, workplace culture, etc.
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    "The black people moved in and trashed neighborhood" This is the perception. The reality is economics. Mortgage lending 101. Shifts is real estate values, etc. Tax dollars leaving the city, schools deteriorated, every one who had the means moved out, white or black.
     
    #77     Apr 9, 2008
  8. 6. Being educated and having knowledge will help in many things, but you will still face the reality of everyday oppression which exists in culture. This is a weird phenomena and the best description I can give traders of it is when you get what looks like an ideal setup, everything looks cool, you enter a position ... and the market reverses and totally fucking hoses you. Now, this happens over and over and over again. It would make you very very wary of ever entering the market, and likewise, it makes you very wary of trusting whites (well, you do, but only to a degree).

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    Good point. Brings up the importance of family and mentors. If you stand on the corner and commiserate with others who got "hosed' = dead end. Bag holders find each other.

    When I meet my kids friends, I always ask them "Who's the smartest person you know?" If it's their dad and he's in jail, Houston we have a problem.
    :D
     
    #78     Apr 9, 2008

  9. Damn you, little jimmy!!!!!!! If you are going to tell whoppers of that magnitude, at least have the decency to post a warning beforehand. I just spit coffee all over my keyboard with that gem!
    LMAO!!!


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    #79     Apr 9, 2008
  10. ElCubano

    ElCubano

    this is huge...But with more hours of work, less pay, more single parenthood, higher divorce rates, and less of just the simple act of eating dinner together is making this shore that much harder....not to mention parents that just dont give a flying f**K....this goes for any race anywhere anytime...
     
    #80     Apr 9, 2008