The real reason trading is difficult

Discussion in 'Trading' started by jem, Jun 2, 2008.

  1. JSSPMK

    JSSPMK

    I will pitch in with my today's trades & the reason I made it through is because I never give up (as long as there are valid reasons to remain stubborn), you may be on the wrong side of the market, but you have to remain rational about your stops & potential targets. BTW today's performance was not unique, I manage to screw up my own analyses amazingly well & on regular basis.

    I will add some colour here:

    Long 1388 off 1 & possible 2, stop near 1386.5, emergency hard stop 1378

    -0.5 don't like p/a

    Long 1379.5 off 1, stop near 1378.5, hard stop 1368.5

    -1.25

    Long 1377.75 off 1, stop near 1376.5, hard -10

    -1.25

    Going to watch charts for a while

    Long 1374, stop near 1372

    -1.75

    Long 1370.50 off 2, stop near 1369, hard stop -5


    C'MON SQUEEZE 'EM BULLS!!!! (personal mantra moment)

    Scaled out 2/3 +3.25

    1/3 +9 after 50% retrace
     
    #41     Jun 3, 2008
  2. limau2

    limau2

    Jem...


    your approach/thinking style is correct & suitable for the market you are involved in = stock/shares...

    If i try my style into stocks, surely I gone bankrupt

    thats why I choose another market: commodities, which randomness is not really random. I had tried Malaysian stockindexfutures (i'm foreigner in US), but the randomness already kicked-in, no clear trend, so I forego that, and now studying charts of US commodities and i thought some commodities have good potential.

    Thats why I mentioned before, the choice of market is important in order to mint money ...as long as we can moving with market @ dancing with wolf , we shall make money...

    :D
     
    #42     Jun 3, 2008
  3. the key is not trading something that matches ones' personality, once one finds what that (trading terminology) personality is....

    for example,

    buy, hold, until proven right! is best suited to investors, not traders or want to be traders

    buy, hold, until proven right works with stocks, bonds, dividend plays and some long term option plays...

    Emini futures and regular futures contracts as well as rapid fire stock trading (pairs trading, basket trading, hedge trading, etc.) works for other personality types, of which most are not well suited for. Oh, don't forget forex trading too.

    because most are not well suited for the excessive demands that it takes to become consistently profitable in these trades / markets the concept of making a living at these trades becomes elusive, desirable, something of which movies are made about, etc....

    (Rogue Trader, Wall Street, Boiler Room, Trading Places, etc.)

    ok, that's my one word answer,

    uh, one reply answer....
     
    #43     Jun 3, 2008
  4. Trading is difficult because:

    developing a profitable exit system is extremely difficult.
     
    #44     Jun 3, 2008
  5. limau2

    limau2

    opps... in one sentence you said:

    "Need to be at the right marketplace, at the right time and place the right order, to ensure trading looked easy"

    So be at ...the wrong marketplace,at the wrong time and place the wrong order...will make trading life difficult.
    :)
     
    #45     Jun 4, 2008
  6. The market is neither random or irrational it just speaks a language that few manage to comprehend.

    Once you learn to read it, like any other language, you can communicate well with it.

    Reason is difficult at first is because, once again, like any other language it takes years to become fluent at it but once you do, the understanding begins.

    NN
     
    #46     Jun 4, 2008
  7. Wow I gotta say that I actually think that Jack's post was very straightforward and had lots of elements of truth.

    He's not usually so concise with his speach. Even though i've had differences with him in the past ... I don't know why so many people think his comments are off base.

    That said... I think channels and PA are one in the same bunch. But, that's all semantics and who gives a shit about that.
     
    #47     Jun 4, 2008
  8. Trading is difficult because most traders don't have a decent edge.
     
    #48     Jun 4, 2008
  9. The real reason trading is so difficult is because we make it so. Strategies become so intricate that they crash and burn. KISS is my motto.
     
    #49     Jun 4, 2008
  10. Spot on!

    Head fakes on limit orders are a problem. That fat little order just dangling there before the actual confirmation.

    Speed of move faster than your trigger finger. Market fills offer large slippage.

    I watch many trades setup and blow through the entry too quickly to pull the trigger. I refuse to chase.

    This is the case with shorts more so than longs.

    All this in regards to intra-day trades.

    Great post!
     
    #50     Jun 4, 2008