The radical moral implications of luck in human life

Discussion in 'Psychology' started by dealmaker, Mar 7, 2019.

  1. Stockolio,

    My thinking is perfect and my work eithic. But poor kids thinking is not. Take it from someone who grew up similar. It takes ALOT of mental toughness and guidance to make it from those ghettos.
     
    #21     Mar 8, 2019
  2. Listen... If you are born in North America, and for what ever reasons you think the odds of success ( financial freedom ) is very low if you are born into a poor situation, then you don't know wtf you are talking about. Does someone inherent a lack of work ethic for growing up in a lower income neighbourhood ?

    Victim Mentality, short comings blamed on external factors... Maybe I just have an insane work ethic and always refused defeat, and I can't even understand that sort of thinking... I actually got choked reading the lines he typed
     
    #22     Mar 8, 2019
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  3. Not gonna argue or debate with you, you have a victim's mentality... The fact you think this is only applicable to YOU, you wrote : Until you lived in the ghetto for +1 years are take the time to actually sit and talk with these poor kids and men and women, you just clueless.

    Classic... You have no idea what you are saying man, it is what it is I guess. I am clueless ? Let me guess, you grew up in a single parent environment, so it makes you the authority to speak for everyone else ? You don't know shit, keep being the victim and making excuses, others work there way out. You keep believing in handicaps, ill keep believing in work ethic
     
    #23     Mar 8, 2019
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  4. Sig

    Sig

    How many straight weeks in your life have you worked more than 60 hours/week at a manual labor job, the kind you sweat at? You and your "insane work ethic"?

    Actually I grew up in a supportive 2 parent educated family and won the genetic intelligence lottery. I've so far been a military officer and professional pilot and started 2 successful businesses. I'm not a victim in any way, I simply lack the hubris to think I could have achieved that if I'd been born with the same ethics but had a sick parent or sibling to take care of starting at a young age living in a shitty part of the country. You have that hubris in spades, and it stems from either a lack of ability to empathize or a lack of actual understanding of what it's like to be in that situation. I'll charitably assume it's the latter.
     
    #24     Mar 8, 2019
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  5. Stockolio,

    It's all good. Let's agree to disagree and move on.
     
    #25     Mar 8, 2019
  6. Never
     
    #26     Mar 8, 2019
  7. Sig,

    You are not going to get him to understand, cause he does not want to understand. Attempting to understand would take him hours

    Stockolio, is a basis thinker or one sided thinker. He only thinks of his way of life. He does not understand how odds of success works in the real world, only his world.

    He is the typical new American, judge first and questions later.
     
    #27     Mar 8, 2019
  8. That's right! Hard Work, Works! Working really hard, is what successful people do - Denzel Washington
     
    #28     Mar 8, 2019
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  9. Sig

    Sig

    And yet the folks that do are "victim mentality" losers who just need to have your "insane work ethic" and they can pull themselves up by their bootstraps? Seriously, imagine you live with a crack addicted mom and are the oldest kid raising your two youngest. You are conscientious and hard working so you start working 40 hours a week after school starting in 9th grade moving boxes in a warehouse. You're bone tired all the time, so you don't learn nearly as much in school as you could and you sure as hell don't ever get to do anything extra-curricular. You graduate and immediately start an additional job to put food on the table for your siblings, who get free child care from your grandmother while you're working. So now, 60 hours a week of manual labor, what exactly do you want this kid to do? Enroll in community college 20 hours a week? Move to Texas with your siblings and the $10 you have saved up and somehow provide childcare for them while on a 2 week on/ 2 week off rotation oil job? Are you fucking kidding me, do you have any clue at all? Again, the arrogance of it all is just stunning, you have no idea. And it wouldn't cost you at all to spend a little time with these folks, learn a little, and maybe gain some humility about what life is like for them. Or you can just write them all off as victims and then it's a whole lot easier to be selfish when it comes to any support for them, right?
     
    #29     Mar 8, 2019
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  10. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Speaking of luck and business, we have to acknowledge the incredible success of the Kardashian clan. From a leaked porn tape what could destroy anybody's reputation, they built 3-4 different business empires each worth 100+ millions.

    That is NO luck, my friends. That is some serious "if life gives you lemon" kind of business savy.

    And here I would like to mention Paris Hilton too. Sure she is a heiress, but she is a millionaire on her own right based on 3-4 different businesses, not related to hotels. Oh wait, there was a leaked porn tape here too.

    Well, I guess I have to ask my wife to leak our tapes, maybe I can make it to the big time too!
     
    #30     Mar 8, 2019