The Quest to find 15 uncorrelated asset classes

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by InTheMaking, Jan 26, 2018.

  1. There are two other free lunches:
    1) reducing tax exposure
    2) reducing transaction costs

    But those two plus the one you mentioned are the only three I'm aware of.
     
    #41     Jan 31, 2018
  2. rvince99

    rvince99

    We witness disparate real estate markets, I think, much as we see more sector rotation and selectivity in bull markets. When things go south, correlations return.
     
    #42     Jan 31, 2018
  3. Sig

    Sig

    One other area that most don't normally think of as an investment, making your own electricity. Depending on your local electric rates, usage, and the power of your local monopoly utility to influence legislators, you can get some pretty decent return on installing solar to offset your electric use. And remember that you're saving after tax dollars, so depending on your tax load saving a dollar on electricity is the same as earning $1.25-$1.50. And to the subject of this thread, that return is pretty close to completely uncorrelated to the market. And to those who don't have access to OTC swaps, it's a $15-30k investment almost anyone can make.
     
    #43     Jan 31, 2018
  4. Actually there is are niches in real estate, leasing, financing and insurance that does very well in bear markets or crashes. This would not be catering to your typical tenants who lose their jobs, or go out of business etc. Hint; Gov't Programs and Health Insurance. I was fortunate to have 10% of my holdings in this space during the '09 recession. Beating myself that I didn't invest more.

    There is mini recession that is hitting the sub-prime auto market right now and currently testing a business idea in this space in the dallas market. Again, just like last time only 10% of my diversified allocation. If I had bigger balls I would liquidate my portfolio and go all in on this.

    I realize this is a traders forum and most people are averse to RE due to the pains of the 2009 recession. But syndication is very powerful in RE and I'm finding that even trading OPM doesn't come close to the potential in RE.
     
    #44     Jan 31, 2018
  5. ironchef

    ironchef

    Thank you for your response.

    I know you are a successful investors and business person, I look forward to your success as a fellow trader.

    Regards,
     
    #45     Jan 31, 2018
  6. Actually re-reading this posting, and putting more thoughts into this, its making more sense. As I pay my property taxes for my rentals, I'm realizing the I have better ROI on certain class of commercial properties than residential rentals regardless of the length of the leases. One area that I have very little control is property tax assessment. And its a big amount here in Texas.Yes, you're right! There has been sector rotation on RE as well. Sector rotation has moved away from residential rentals to more commercial property development and leasing.

    One benefit compared to the markets, is that this is something that takes a few months to years to take effect. For those in the know in RE, this is usually advantageous. I don't claim I'm in the know yet. I missed the boat on all the storage facility build outs that was happening in Dallas. Too busy playing the stock market then. No regrets, though!
     
    #46     Jan 31, 2018
  7. ironchef

    ironchef

    There is one more free lunch: improve your efficiency so you spend less.
     
    #47     Jan 31, 2018
  8. Do you mean getting a better bid/ask price?
     
    #48     Feb 1, 2018
  9. ironchef

    ironchef

    No. Live below your means, then it is free money.
     
    #49     Feb 2, 2018
  10. d08

    d08

    Correlation is not static. Generally the less volatility, the more uncorrelated choices you have.
     
    #50     Feb 2, 2018