The power of conditioning, and learning..

Discussion in 'Psychology' started by Josh_B, Feb 6, 2003.

  1. Josh_B


    Learning the Status Quo

    Start with a cage containing five monkeys.
    In the cage, hang a banana on a string and put stairs under it. Before long, a monkey will go to the stairs and start to climb towards the banana.

    As soon as he touches the stairs, spray all of the monkeys with cold water.

    After a while, another monkey will make an attempt with the same response - all of the monkeys are sprayed with cold water. Keep this up for several days.

    Turn off the cold water.

    If, later, another monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other monkeys will try to prevent it even though no water sprays them.

    Now, remove one monkey from the cage and replace it with a new one.

    The new monkey sees the banana and wants to climb the stairs. To his horror, all of the other monkeys attack him. After another attempt and attack, he knows that if he tries to climb the stairs, he will be assaulted.

    Next, remove another of the original five monkeys and replace it with a new one. The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked. The previous newcomer takes part in the punishment with enthusiasm.

    Replace the third original monkey with a new one. The new one makes it to the stairs and is attacked as well. Two of the four monkeys that beat him have no idea why they were not permitted to climb the stairs, or why they are participating in the beating of the newest monkey.

    After replacing the fourth and fifth original monkeys, all the monkeys which have been sprayed with cold water have been replaced. Nevertheless, no monkey ever again approaches the stairs.

    Why not?

    "Because that's the way it's always been done around here."

    The 100th monkey story is also interesting...

  2. qdz2


    hahah, good old thinking experiment on psychology. that's the power of brain washing. whoever spraying the water is the manipulator.

  3. True, the water-sprayer is the manipulator. But even more important is mob-rule mentality. Of course, the manipulator knows full well of the effects of spraying the water, he knows that the mob-rule effect gives him the power to manipulate just by spraying the water. And he also knows that later on he can get away with claiming innocence concerning the injuries sustained by the victims of attacks. "I never attacked anyone! The most I ever did was spray a little water. A little water never hurt anyone. In fact, I was just doing it to give them a much needed bath. It was for their own good! I was providing them the service of hygiene."

    In this way, Hitler claims to have never killed anyone. Stalin "never killed anyone". Milosevic will tell you he never killed anyone. Bush will claim the same thing. And these manipulators could not achieve the horrible things they accomplish, if they were not able to depend on the rest of us to unquestioningly carry out their plans for them. It's not enough to blame the manipulators for our actions. We have to stop being monkeys in a cage, and start being full-grown freethinking human beings. It is only our willingness to accept being manipulated and to act as they intend us to act that allows the manipulators to exercise this power.

    Saddest of all, is the fact that we believe we have to conduct these torturous experiments on innocent animals to discover evident facts about ourselves that should be obvious enough to us all just by using a little open-eyed observation of ourselves and everything that goes on around us.
  4. stocon


    Manipulation is a polite word for torture, terror and murder. If you lived under Stalin or Hitler you wouldn't be manipulated you would be murdered. Unbelievable , free thinking not allowed. Surviving was the goal.
  5. Yes. But how did ONE MAN manage to terrorize, torture, and murder millions? It is impossible. There has to be enough other people willing to be their thugs and lackeys to carry out their schemes. And millions more who were caught between being paralyzed with fear and afraid to voice opposition (or be eliminated by exile and execution if they do), and those millions more who were complacent enough that although they didn't want to commit the violence themselves, they were willing to go along with it or support it.
  6. Swedenborg's theory states that every organ is made of similars...

    If any man is found to carry with him the power and affections of vast numbers it is because the people whom he sways are little 'he's'...

    BTW; Josh thanks for the post :)

    PEACE and good-trading,
  7. stocon


    There appears to be at least two of these types presently on the planet and the only person that wants to stand up to them is a blood thirsty manipulating evil republican?:p
  8. What happens when you throw a really strong monkey capable of taking on four monkeys and ultimately dispatching them?

    Will that monkey get the banana? or will you hose him?

    and what happens if you cant hose him because he wont stand for it and tears you a new a-hole?

    will the other beaten up monkeys follow suit and beat eachother up for the leftovers of the banana?

    or will they still be too scared of being hosed?

    ahh sigmund, I just think you want to have sex with those monkeys!!
  9. I don't think George W is the one who wants to order a military aggression. He is one of the monkeys: He couldn't care less about Saddam or weapons of mass destruction. After all, he commands the greatest and deadliest arsenal of weapons of mass destruction on this planet, and he knows as well as you and me that all it takes for one of them to go off is a few disgruntled or mentally ill citizens.

    What he does care about is getting re-elected. Why? Because he has been conditioned to believe power is good. Ordering an assault on another country is just his means to the end of aligning 51% of America's voters' minds.
  10. Satan


    the religion threads should have links to this one
    #10     Feb 7, 2003