The Polls - Is Trump Winning even without the Algo

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jem, Jul 27, 2016.

  1. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Here is the LA Times Poll today
    http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/

    Actually looks like has trended back to level of 2 days ago after a dip yesterday. It shows 5.4% point lead for Trump up from 1.3% lead for Hillary on 10/24/16. --That is a trend in the direction of Trump no matter what the methodology is.
     
    #791     Nov 5, 2016
  2. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    When you're down in 7 of the last 9 polls the polls are not trending in your direction.



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    #792     Nov 5, 2016
  3. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    The LA times poll is garbage and has a very different methodology than conventional polls.
     
    #793     Nov 5, 2016
  4. jem

    jem

    todays polls ... averaged... equal trump in the lead in the margin for error.
    does not matter how many polls... what matters is the quality of the poll and its ability to predict the turnout accurately.


    General Election: Trump vs. Clinton LA Times/USC Tracking Clinton 43, Trump 48 Trump +5
    General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein IBD/TIPP Tracking Clinton 44, Trump 44, Johnson 5, Stein 2 Tie
    General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein Reuters/Ipsos Clinton 43, Trump 39, Johnson 6, Stein 2 Clinton +4
     
    #794     Nov 5, 2016
  5. jem

    jem

  6. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Neither one of us knows if it is garbage or not. It was right last time. Yes--the methodology is different. They interview the same 3000 people over time. Those 3000 people are trending in trumps direction but have been trending in Clintons direction at other times. Seems like it might be a good way to do polls (instead of finding new people each time), but the track record is not long enough yet.
     
    #796     Nov 5, 2016
  7. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    The poll has some interesting demos. For example:4.3 % of blacks are favoring Trump.---40.2% of Latinos favoring Trump up from around 37% 2 weeks ago --and Women at 42.9% up from 38-39% 2weeks ago. The Latino and Women factor is higher than other polls but whether the raw number is correct or not, they are trending in Trumps direction. That cannot be argued. It can't be argued because it's the same 3000 person sample that is moving the numbers. So, what you can glean from polls is trend mostly. --and it's going the right direction --for now.
     
    #797     Nov 5, 2016
  8. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Seems to me that the methodology might be good using the same people over and over. I mean when you think about it, that's what an election basically is----The same group of people forming opinion over and over. Most polls get new folks each time and could get a good sample and a bad sample back to back. True--LA times could have a bad sample the entire time, but again it would still indicate proper trends. We'll see---I really don't know if the poll is fully accurate or not. The trend surely is though--Izzy
     
    #798     Nov 5, 2016
  9. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

  10. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    Only Rasmussen and Gallup had Romney ahead in the majority of their polls and thier final poll so thats not a major accomplishment imo.
     
    #800     Nov 5, 2016