The Petraeus Briefing: Biden's Embarrassment Is Not The Whole Story

Discussion in 'Politics' started by sameeh55, Mar 16, 2010.

  1. The above is one of the worst revisionist tracts floating about the web and flies in the face of all historical facts, its what the IHR would write if they were not so in love with Hitler and had a hard on for Israel instead. There were nomadic Arab tribes in the area but there was a greater number of Muslim, Jewish and Christian Palestinians involved semi pastoral and permanent agricultural activities in the area.
    #21     Mar 16, 2010
  2. What do yo believe the is the key to israeli-palestinian conflict is? Tell me in the affirmative. Not what it is not

    #22     Mar 16, 2010
  3. As you were informed by me and others, you need to sharpen your lying and propaganda skills Mom0. Part of sharpening such skill is not to insult your opponents by asking such stupid questions My Khazara friend. Do not misunderstand me my friend; I know that answers to every stupid question of yours. I just find it insulting that you are importing such questions from other sites and blogs run by people with identical intelligence levels as yours.

    What caused me stomach cramps from laughter is the "When was it founded" :D

    Oh and by the way;

    #23     Mar 16, 2010
  4. jem


    What I find interesting - is when I meet people in the states who are not muslim... but come from the middle east... 100 percent of them have told me they are not arab.

    When I look up the definition of Arab I learn there is no real definition. it is sort of a self Identification....

    So given we do not really have a definition of arab... how the heck can I take either side seriously when one side argues arabs were not here and the other side argues arabs were there.
    #24     Mar 17, 2010
  5. I have answered you many times and proved you wrong many times on the SAME EXACT LIES you are posting. It is so sad that you are not willing to think out of the box and do something creative. Instead, you resort back to the same stupid tactics over and over and over again Mom0. In one of my last dialogues with you, I told you exactly what you will do, and you, being the armature you are, did exactly what I have expected you to do. You know why Mom0? Because, you were taught not think on your own but rather follow orders.

    And because I knew that you will not be able to help yourself and think out of the box, I have saved such correspondence between you and I. Why you ask? Very simple Mom0! It is because I know that right after I post my answers to you, you will, yet again, wait for few days, come back and post the same lies again and challenge me to answer them. Very silly and only makes you look armature and vindictive in front of everyone in here Mom0, don't you think? I know that THEY have told you that this is the best way to spread your lies but come on man...Think of the advarse effect it will do to you as a human.
    #25     Mar 17, 2010
  6. Here you go my friend; this is from a previous post I made to answer you:

    Notice that you started with the claim that we are Jordanians. It seems that your friends told you to let go this lie for it will only serve to belittle you.

    You then came up with the following lie;

    #26     Mar 17, 2010
  7. Please read above my central Asian Khazara friend.
    #27     Mar 17, 2010
  8. The Petraeus Briefing:
    Biden's Embarrassment Is Not The Whole Story

    By Mark Perry

    March 15, 2010 "Foreign Policy" March 13, 2010 -- On Jan. 16, two days after a killer earthquake hit Haiti, a team of senior military officers from the U.S. Central Command (responsible for overseeing American security interests in the Middle East), arrived at the Pentagon to brief Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Michael Mullen on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The team had been dispatched by CENTCOM commander Gen. David Petraeus to underline his growing worries at the lack of progress in resolving the issue. The 33-slide, 45-minute PowerPoint briefing stunned Mullen. The briefers reported that there was a growing perception among Arab leaders that the U.S. was incapable of standing up to Israel, that CENTCOM's mostly Arab constituency was losing faith in American promises, that Israeli intransigence on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was jeopardizing U.S. standing in the region, and that Mitchell himself was (as a senior Pentagon officer later bluntly described it) "too old, too slow ... and too late."

    The January Mullen briefing was unprecedented. No previous CENTCOM commander had ever expressed himself on what is essentially a political issue; which is why the briefers were careful to tell Mullen that their conclusions followed from a December 2009 tour of the region where, on Petraeus's instructions, they spoke to senior Arab leaders. "Everywhere they went, the message was pretty humbling," a Pentagon officer familiar with the briefing says. "America was not only viewed as weak, but its military posture in the region was eroding." But Petraeus wasn't finished: two days after the Mullen briefing, Petraeus sent a paper to the White House requesting that the West Bank and Gaza (which, with Israel, is a part of the European Command -- or EUCOM), be made a part of his area of operations. Petraeus's reason was straightforward: with U.S. troops deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan, the U.S. military had to be perceived by Arab leaders as engaged in the region's most troublesome conflict.

    [UPDATE: A senior military officer denied Sunday that Petraeus sent a paper to the White House.

    "CENTCOM did have a team brief the CJCS on concerns revolving around the Palestinian issue, and CENTCOM did propose a UCP change, but to CJCS, not to the WH," the officer said via email. "GEN Petraeus was not certain what might have been conveyed to the WH (if anything) from that brief to CJCS."

    (UCP means "unified combatant command," like CENTCOM; CJCS refers to Mullen; and WH is the White House.)]

    The Mullen briefing and Petraeus's request hit the White House like a bombshell. While Petraeus's request that CENTCOM be expanded to include the Palestinians was denied ("it was dead on arrival," a Pentagon officer confirms), the Obama administration decided it would redouble its efforts -- pressing Israel once again on the settlements issue, sending Mitchell on a visit to a number of Arab capitals and dispatching Mullen for a carefully arranged meeting with the chief of the Israeli General Staff, Lt. General Gabi Ashkenazi. While the American press speculated that Mullen's trip focused on Iran, the JCS Chairman actually carried a blunt, and tough, message on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict: that Israel had to see its conflict with the Palestinians "in a larger, regional, context" -- as having a direct impact on America's status in the region. Certainly, it was thought, Israel would get the message.

    Israel didn't. When Vice President Joe Biden was embarrassed by an Israeli announcement that the Netanyahu government was building 1,600 new homes in East Jerusalem, the administration reacted. But no one was more outraged than Biden who, according to the Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth, engaged in a private, and angry, exchange with the Israeli Prime Minister. Not surprisingly, what Biden told Netanyahu reflected the importance the administration attached to Petraeus's Mullen briefing: "This is starting to get dangerous for us," Biden reportedly told Netanyahu. "What you're doing here undermines the security of our troops who are fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. That endangers us and it endangers regional peace." Yedioth Ahronoth went on to report: "The vice president told his Israeli hosts that since many people in the Muslim world perceived a connection between Israel's actions and US policy, any decision about construction that undermines Palestinian rights in East Jerusalem could have an impact on the personal safety of American troops fighting against Islamic terrorism." The message couldn't be plainer: Israel's intransigence could cost American lives.

    There are important and powerful lobbies in America: the NRA, the American Medical Association, the lawyers -- and the Israeli lobby. But no lobby is as important, or as powerful, as the U.S. military. While commentators and pundits might reflect that Joe Biden's trip to Israel has forever shifted America's relationship with its erstwhile ally in the region, the real break came in January, when David Petraeus sent a briefing team to the Pentagon with a stark warning: America's relationship with Israel is important, but not as important as the lives of America's soldiers. Maybe Israel gets the message now.

    Mark Perry's newest book is Talking To Terrorists
    #28     Mar 17, 2010
  9. jem


    your definition is logical - but just doing a check on the internet - it does not seem to be standard.

    For instance check out this lack of specificity from wikipedia

    Arab people (Arabic: عربي‎, ʿarabi) or Arabs (العرب al-ʿarab) are a panethnicity of peoples of various ancestral origins, religious backgrounds and historic identities, whose members, on an individual basis, identify as such on one or more of linguistic, cultural, political, or genealogical grounds.[11] Those self-identifing as Arab, however, rarely do so on their own. Most hold multiple identities, with a more localized prioritized ethnic identity — such as Egyptian, Lebanese, or Palestinian — in addition to further tribal, village and clan identities.

    But thank you for the explanation about the snootiness. My friends mom did seem to be insulted when I asked if they were arab. (they moved here from lebanon)
    #29     Mar 17, 2010
  10. For what it is worth, I have a few official British reports dated on or before 1946, and in almost all cases the non-jewish population in Palestine is referred to as "Arabs of Palestine".
    #30     Mar 17, 2010