The Path to Recovery: How to Re-Open America

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Apr 22, 2020.

  1. jem

    jem

    When you combine all those antibodies in some areas of NYC with T cells and other immune system protections...

    There is a fantastic chance that NYC is doing well because of herd immunity.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-antibodies.html

    68% Have Antibodies in This Clinic. Can a Neighborhood Beat a Next Wave?
    Data from those tested at a storefront medical office in Queens is leading to a deeper understanding of the outbreak’s scope in New York.



     
    #681     Jul 17, 2020
  2. Cuddles

    Cuddles

     
    #682     Jul 18, 2020
  3. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    Everyone knows herd immunity (maybe just momentary) without a vaccine is achievable just the cost in life is huge and this virus does do damage to younger people.

    Narcissists/sodiopaths and Trumpanzees blind themselves to how many had to die in this hot-spot. They are also blind to other debilitating problems with covid many are experiencing.

    As long as it stays somebody else's problem or they themselves have a mild reaction, they will keep posting half the story.
     
    #683     Jul 19, 2020
  4. Nine_Ender

    Nine_Ender

    Things are going to get worse before they get better in parts of the US and I just think we'll get nonstop whining from posters like Jem. No legit medical expert is proposing natural herd immunity as a plan or advocating Sweden as an example to follow. Given enough time, all these ideas will disappear almost nobody will admit to saying them. It's like the great US stock crash of 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013. Tons of posters calling these out with extreme confidence and getting impatient and rude ( or worse ) towards anyone telling them they are full of shit or badly misinformed. I got into it with several posters telling them their crash calls would look incredibly stupid given time.

    I don't think we'll be talking about natural herd immunity anywhere on the planet in a year. I also don't think the final US numbers ( infections and deaths ) will look very good compared to the final numbers in countries like Canada that took a more gradual staged process with more buy in from their citizens. If I'm wrong I'm fine with it; I'm not a medical expert. But when I see San Diego County putting up essentially the same numbers as the entire country of Canada lately, it's hard to take Jem seriously. Something isn't translating well there. Might be the beach trips, open gyms, and soccer practices. Might be the deniers and people politicizing the virus ( less Republicans wear masks still ).
     
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    #684     Jul 19, 2020
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  5. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    Yep the hero call shit as you say. Typical of people who have got through their lives never making serious decisions. And economists :) Jem does some property stuff he says, so he thinks carpet bombing lies and obfuscation fixes anything.

    Virus does not care what a lawyer finagles. He does not see the science as anything but a pig wallow of words. We could talk science with him but.. his magical thinking makes that a futile exercise.
     
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    #685     Jul 19, 2020
  6. And young people get older, viruses mutate, and people’s immune symptom fluctuates at any given time due to emotional stress, injury, or recent recovery from another infection.

    Each time someone gets infected with Covid over age 45, it is a die roll, about 1/6 chance of serious complications or death.

    We need a leadership qualification process using community standards to cull out the unfit before they even have a chance to run for office. Maybe then voter’s dilemma between “Least of the worst” candidates becomes “Best of the best”.
     
    #686     Jul 19, 2020
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  7. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    Its not just 45, my daughter is helping a friend (28) as a free doctoral thesis advisor. The friend had covid two months ago and her mind as she says, is pudding, she is really struggling and she may never regain what she has lost.

    Blood thickening causing diffuse brain damage. Some repairs but the brain is not that great at this just adapting to less function. There is some hope for her that her first pregnancy if she has one soon (plans to) will trigger the associated brain remodelling (baby brain is the foggynees as this occurs). OK for the girls, that does not happen for the boys.
     
    #687     Jul 19, 2020
  8. Damn.

    Children Covid-19 cases:
    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2021680?query=featured_coronavirus

    Another article on children Covid-19 cases:
    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2007617?query=featured_coronavirus

    Article on Covid-19 Neurological effects:
    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2019373?query=featured_coronavirus

    There are more articles.

    I offer this post with a glance towards the Covid-19 and PPE deniers. Stupid fucks.
     
    #688     Jul 19, 2020
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  9. Cuddles

    Cuddles

     
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  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Nearly 16,000 restaurants have closed permanently due to the pandemic, Yelp data shows
    There have been 26,160 total restaurant closures
    https://abcnews.go.com/Business/160...ntly-due-pandemic-yelp-data/story?id=71943970

    Volatility has been a kiss of death for thousands of restaurants during the coronavirus pandemic.

    Abrupt closures, inconsistent reopenings, changes in public health guidance for operations and other state-mandated orders have pushed the food service industry to the brink.

    MORE: Restaurant, food service industry has lost nearly $120B due to pandemic
    New data from Yelp revealed the stark reality of permanent closures for an alarming number of restaurants, which already ran on thin margins.

    The review site's latest Local Economic Impact Report, released Wednesday, showed that 60% of the restaurants that temporarily closed due to the pandemic have since shuttered for good.

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    There were 26,160 total restaurant closures on Yelp as of July 10 and 15,770 of those have made the decision permanent, according to Yelp.



    "The restaurant industry now reflects the highest total business closures, recently surpassing retail," the report stated.

    Chefs, general managers, owners, bartenders and diners have all attempted to raise their voices to get aid for the hard-hit sector. But those cries have been drowned out by the sound of businesses boarding up their eateries, shuttering service for good.

    "Restaurants are known to run on thin margins, which makes a forced closure even more painful for the industry," Justin Norman, vice president of data science at Yelp, told ABC News.



    Norman said that the company's latest numbers draw a painful correlation for what could come next.

    "Unfortunately, we expect these closures to continue," Norman said. "As COVID-19 cases continue to rise across the county, we anticipate states will roll back or delay reopening plans, which will inevitably impact the future success of all businesses, including restaurants, possibly turning even more temporary closures into permanent ones."

    Restaurant owners have been forced to quickly come up with new adaptations on menus, points of service, hours, delivery and takeout models that better serve their local communities just to keep the lights on.

    Yelp looked at changes to service options, delivery and takeaway, but many of the site's registered restaurants were still unable to sustain their businesses.

    Independent restaurants and larger chains have applied for government assistance in the interim as they continue to iterate on what works.

    "We’ve already seen a ton of success from restaurants that have expanded their takeout and delivery options, some are even offering meal kits, drink kits, cooking classes and pivoting their use of technology," Norman said, citing the company's waitlist platform that manages curbside pickup.

    Like so many restaurants that have scrambled to make it work, Canlis, a landmark spot in the Pacific Northwest, successfully turned its fine dining model on its head and transformed more than once. First, it existed as a drive-thru burger stand, then a coffee and bagel shop. It added farm-to-table produce kits, full dinner deliveries with virtual bingo and finally established itself as an entirely outdoor crab shack built specifically to accommodate social distancing, owner Mark Canlis explained to ABC News.

    But for restaurants without the capital or capacity to back up lofty changes like that, closing permanently has become an unfortunate reality around the U.S.

    Restaurants have lost more revenue and jobs than any other industry, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. A survey from the National Restaurant Association in June showed food service lost nearly $120 billion in sales during just the first three months of the pandemic.



    In addition to the grim reality for restaurants, bars and clubs have endured an especially high closure rate as a result of coronavirus.

    The bar and nightlife industry, which is six times smaller than the restaurant industry, tallied 5,454 total business closures -- 2,429 of which are permanent -- according to Yelp.

    Despite the devastating dining numbers, the popular online business directory site and app also reported some encouraging data on spending behavior in the restaurant category.

    Since June 1, Yelp saw consumer interest rise in steakhouses, French food, live and raw food, as well as German cuisine.

    Yelp users have also shown increased interest in alcohol-related experiences with breweries up 24% and wineries up 51%.

    Additionally, user interest in Black-owned businesses has remained high since Yelp's Local Economic Impact Report last month, with searches for the category up 2,508% on the platform.
     
    #690     Jul 25, 2020