The Other Side Of The Arizona Immigration Debate

Discussion in 'Politics' started by AAAintheBeltway, May 7, 2010.

  1. jem

    jem

    Even the zzz is against anchor babies... why can't this be slated for immediate change.
     
    #61     May 12, 2010
  2. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    Because collectively the 535 members of congress don't want to change it. If they did it would have been changed already.

    More or less the same 535 career politicians "we the people" keep re-electing term after term despite all the lies, useless rhetoric, scandals, and mishandling of our nations affairs.
     
    #62     May 12, 2010
  3. I have no idea. Obama could sign an executive order today to stop it until it was challenged in the court system.



     
    #63     May 12, 2010
  4. The 535 members of congress could not do it in my opinion. It is a Constitutional issue. It depends on the view of the courts, and if the courts strike down action against anchor babies, then it takes a Constitutional amendment to pass, which is difficult.

    Much of this comes down to politics, and an understanding that capturing the vote of Latinos is quite important...just as the right wing must capture their own Bible thumping crew, etc.

    Demographics do not favor legislation that targets a large minority group these days.

    Blame it on changing demographics, but that is the reality of politics...



     
    #64     May 12, 2010

  5. that about sums their position up. Quite well, I must say.

    As for "debating" this topic. I've finally reached my breaking point. Engaging with leftists is far beneath an exercise in futility. "Adios Amigos" ... "Ipods are Bad" ... Idiocracy indeed.

    it looks good for Nov. might very well win both houses handily. Hopefully this incoming group will actually be guided by the will of the people, not in fear of their "intellectual superiors".

    VOTE THIS NOVEMBER. VOTE OUT ALL THE SOCIALIST SCUMBAGS.
     
    #65     May 12, 2010
  6. Yannis

    Yannis

    From a California school teacher

    "As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:

    I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large southern California high school which is designated a Title 1 school, meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic and income levels.

    Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell Gardens , Huntington Park , etc., where these students are protesting, are also Title 1 schools.

    Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and a roll -- but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten.

    I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids.

    I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America ...

    I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students, here in the country less than 3 months, who raised so much hell with the female teachers, calling them "Putas"(whores) and throwing things, that the teachers were in tears.

    Free medical, free education, free food, free day care etc., etc, etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements?

    To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.

    Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new diseases. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.

    Americans, We need to wake up.

    It does, however, have everything to do with culture: It involves an American third-world culture that does not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to assimilate, and an American culture that has become so weak and worried about "political correctness" that we don't have the will to do anything about it.

    If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to
    everyone you know.

    CHEAP LABOR? Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?

    Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage.

    Consumers don't want expensive produce.

    Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs.

    But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth, a farce, and a lie. There is no such thing as "cheap labor."

    Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for $5.00 or 6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.

    He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.

    He qualifies for food stamps.

    He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.

    His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.

    He requires bilingual teachers and books.

    He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.

    If they are, or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI. If qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicaid. All of this is at (our) taxpayer's expense.

    He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance.

    Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.

    He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits.

    Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6..00/hour left after paying their bills and his.

    Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT!

    THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING TO THE CONGRESSIONAL MEMBERS OF EITHER PARTY. AND WHEN THEY LIE TO US AND DON'T DO AS THEY SAY (or what we ask?), WE SHOULD REPLACE THEM . "
     
    #66     May 13, 2010
  7. Yannis

    Yannis

    If you support Gov. Jan Brewer of Arizona decision on Illegal Immigration (as you should) please click on her website and fill out box on left of home page to show your support.

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    Hopefully her courage in signing the Illegal Immigration bill will kick Washington and get them to move on this and put an end to our porous borders. Not to mention our tax dollars spent on schools, health care, crime, etc. relating to illegal aliens. The list of reasons for the Federal Gov. to do their job is far too long to list here; yes you have indeed been spared.

    http://janbrewer.com/
     
    #67     May 13, 2010
  8. This may be a solution to the illegal immigration problem.*


    http://www.resist.com/other/border_patrol.swf



    * This is for entertainment purposes only. If you are easily offended, do not click on the link. BTW, if you are easily offended, you should not be in this forum. :D
     
    #68     May 13, 2010
  9. This moron has been talking shit about Arizona's law without having read it... and it's only 10 pages.

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    #69     May 13, 2010
  10. More flawed logic from the "blame America" libtard crowd. It's not nearly as simple as your pea brain thinks it is... another CAUSE for example is that Mexico is a shithole.
     
    #70     May 13, 2010