The no BS, obfuscation-free price action thread

Discussion in 'Trading' started by 1a2b3cppp, May 17, 2013.

  1. Another thing I see on there is the right shoulder is S flipping to R.

    In the future can you include the X axis of your chart so people can see the time frame? It might be helpful in the future for someone going through this thread and wanting to look at these examples on their own charts.
     
    #61     May 23, 2013
  2. Josef K

    Josef K

    Sorry, I didn't realize the x-axis got cut off.

    It was a five minute chart, for those who don't know.
     
    #62     May 23, 2013
  3. OK, I'll bite. Here's my ET story...

    I first opened an account here a few years ago. I asked one novice question and was shot down in flames by people who were more interested in self-aggrandizement rather welcoming a newcomer. As a result, I didn't bother posting again until recently. I simply churned through a lot of the material on the site and drew up a shortlist of some 15 quality contributors to read.

    I have been a net positive trader for a couple of years now and was prompted the other day to post once more to request some information. It appears that my old account has been inactive for so long I'm unable to post using it so I've had to set up this new one.

    I'm not too proud to ask questions of someone with more developed market analysis skills than myself. So here goes nothing...

    Cheese prescribes the use of this method and I've read the material he has posted on it. Would you say developing such a database is essential to your approach?

    I would say not. Whilst price action can reveal a lot it does not indicate the amount of business being done at a particular price and time which is essential if the market condition is to be understood.

    I know that in my personal trading, time is of critical importance. I have time horizons that I work to and I expect that every other market participant does too (whether it be concious or unconcious). I have expectations about how long price should take to get somewhere and manage my positions accordingly. Time can also be used to determine exhaustion and apathy in the market.

    A fast move on high volume with little follow through is often indicative of a final exhaustive push. Just a small retracement will send any new positions underwater and it only takes a few people to puke for a cascade of popping stops to provide liquidity for those better informed participants to take an opposing position.

    A slow move on low volume can be indicative of apathy. If a market isn't getting any business done at a particular price it will be taken back the other way in an effort to get things moving. Nobody wins if the market is dead and it is in the interests of everyone (especially non-directional participants such as market makers) to get people transacting again. If that involves having to move price to a region where stops can be found then so be it.

    Absolutely, it represents business being done. That's the lifeblood of the market.

    I have not done it myself but I'm now very seriously considering putting in the immense amount of effort I know it will take to prepare such a catalog.

    Obviously T&S data is critical to understanding the dynamics of the market. However, I am unable to follow it visually (one of the reasons I am looking into recruiting some technical talent to help me automate my strategy). I am interested in how you determine which way traders are positioned. There are two sides to every trade and I don't fully understand how to tell whether trades represent participants entering or exiting the market.


    The positioning of large players is critical. Their main concern is finding liquidity to enter and exit positions. For instance, if large players are long they are going to be examining the market to establish where the liquidity lies to enable them to exit their position. One option for them is to sell into strength. Another is to take price to an area where they know shorts will be squeezed out of their positions providing them with the liquidity to exit (and possibly reverse). I am very interested in being able to identify these conditions more consistently and predict the price areas where the market is likely to be taken. I assuming that logic of this kind forms a part of your methodology?

    For sure. But, as you say, identifying how those players are positioned is the key.

    I find identifying where people are likely to take profits very tricky. Much easier to concentrate on where they will be forced out at a loss. However, I feel that by only concentrating on 50% of the equation I am missing out on a lot.

    Was this done using the Cheese method or were their other contributing factors that were more important?

    I'm always interested in learning from others. However, I fear the usual suspects will try to derail things. Hopefully not though as I'm too old to indulge in all the mud slinging.
     
    #63     May 23, 2013
  4. I don't really see many PA patterns that I recognize today.

    Anyone?

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    #64     May 23, 2013
  5. tiddlywinks

    tiddlywinks



    Read.
    You're welcome.
     
    #65     May 23, 2013
  6. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    Actually, some good shit.
     
    #66     May 23, 2013
  7. Perhaps due to your rather dull chart setting.

    Use things that other traders are monitoring not obscure settings in noisy settings.
     
    #67     May 24, 2013
  8. achilles28

    achilles28

    Say what you want about JH, he probably killed it the past couple days...

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    ES now trading at 47 handle...
     
    #68     May 24, 2013
  9. Josef K

    Josef K

    There are a number of people on this forum who claim to trade profitably by price action alone. For instance, NoDoji says she is consistently profitable by repeatedly trading price action setups that she has back tested and found to provide a positive expectancy. Do you think that if these people are profitable, then they are just rare exceptions?
     
    #69     May 24, 2013
  10. Support and resistance level is just a reference point. You still have to confirm from the tape if the real buyer or seller is at that level. If you are just using a chart, you can never tell.
     
    #70     May 24, 2013