The next long term trade

Discussion in 'Index Futures' started by nitro, Sep 6, 2003.

  1. Pabst

    Pabst

    I agree with OT's take. Nitro you've made a true statement above. However the time to have sold PG would have been in conjuction with the strength in Tech this year. Something like a short PG with a long in ES or for an even higher beta spread, long NQ short PG. On the break (if there is one) I would expect PG to get hit less than the leaders of this rally. Maybe flip your thinking a bit. Find a stock that's over ripe as a short and look for something resembling a "value" long against it.
     
    #21     Sep 6, 2003
  2. TD80

    TD80

    On the daily PG in the past few days is becoming more bullish in my view while the dow is looking toppy. PG has been weak on the daily since early July and is *now* challenging resistance on volume! I would say the YM will be the better short and PG would in theory be the better hedge! However neither instrument is setup for an immediate short given my style (stupid tape reader / trend rider). I also prefer to keep my position size such that I require no hedge, but I realize this is not for everyone.

    Just my 1/50th,

    -TD80
     
    #22     Sep 6, 2003
  3. GeeTO69

    GeeTO69

    this is a stupid idea for a trade conceived by one risk averse.
     
    #23     Sep 6, 2003
  4. nitro

    nitro

    Yes, and what is funny is that I am not sure of the trade. Both yours and OT arguments are powerful, but it is not necessarily born out by the charts.

    When I stated in my original post that I was unsure if PG was the best choice because of it's use in defensive situations, I meant it!

    It has occured to me to pair PG with ES and NQ. However, both of those would be far more directional trades. Take a look at PG vs NASDAQ chart at the bottom of this page - correlation ? ZERO.

    The NDX could be a play on the interest rate picture setting up though...

    nitro
     
    #24     Sep 6, 2003
  5. nitro

    nitro

    Thanks, I noticed that. That is EXTREMELY worrisome, and leads me to believe that those that want the OPPOSITE of my trade is what is being considered by the market as the odds on play.

    nitro
     
    #25     Sep 6, 2003
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  7. nitro

    nitro

    Why would you ever draw the trendline on top that way?

    Seems to me the "correct" trendline is thru the few bars between late March/early June?

    nitro :confused:

     
    #27     Sep 6, 2003
  8. I didn't post to debate the drawing of trendlines - but from my experience there is no right or wrong way. The t/l was drawn from the highs of 2002 and has three touches going into April, so I think it qualifies as valid.
     
    #28     Sep 6, 2003
  9. GeeTO69

    GeeTO69

    i agree dumb trendline construction.

    good luck making any $$ from that analysis
     
    #29     Sep 6, 2003
  10. Thanks - I am up over $4 already. Remind not to waste my time posting again.

    :p
     
    #30     Sep 6, 2003