Now that's funny. Reading the links, these ARE passenger lists. It says so there. Nowhere it says hijackers excluded. But lets assume they are as you say. The numbers do not add up, correct me if I'm wrong and I apologize in advance if I miscalculated or miscounted. Flight AA 11 Crew 11 Passengers counted 76 Total on board per link: 92 (passengers plus crew) Assumed hijackers 5 not listed? Flight UAL 175 Crew 9 Passengers counted 47 Passenger list per link: 56 (passengers only) Assumed hijackers 9 not listed? Flight AA 77 Crew 6 Passengers counted 50 Total on board per link: 64 (passengers plus crew) Assumed hijackers 8 not listed? Total hijackers so far 22 !!!! The official report lists 21 hijackers What about Flight 93? 3-4 more? How many hijackers were there?
It does not say that hijackers were excluded but it does not say that it's a complete passenger list either. Take a look at the URL of the links, the web page itself is called victims.html, it's located in the directory called Victims (i.e. ...trade.center/victims/AA11.victims.html), the menu above the list has the item "Victims" highlighted so I think it's safe to assume that hijackers were excluded. I agree with you on the second point, the numbers don't add up, don't ask me why
This will be the last time I waste even a second of my life replying to one of your inane, asinine posts. I've not once in 5 years on ET used the ignore feature. I guess I'll now see how it works. How do you know for a fact whether the passport was on the plane or not? Do you have testimony of someone saying they planted it? Do you know how many personal effects of passengers and crew were recovered? The hijackers flew under there own names and were each asked for identification. (In fact 9 of the 19 were stopped by security). They appeared on passenger list without alias. Thus WTF would ONE hijackers passport need to be "planted"? And if as I'm sure you allege, there were NO "hijackers" why concoct identities tying the hijackers to two nations that have the STRONGEST relations with the U.S. Why not "invent" Iraqi or Iranian hijackers? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5485376 http://www.policetalk.com/9_hijackers.html
The numbers definitely do not add up. On the first point, I looked under manifest lists for the airlines (no victim wording or highlights) and they are pretty much the same. Maybe Iâm wrong but I canât make the same assumption yet as you do. Another issue which is not adding up. How were all these assumed hijackers identified as such? Only an idiot would believe all or a number of their 21 passports were found in the infernos. If they were already known terrorists, WHY were they allowed on the planes? Who was in charge of airport security? If they were unknown before, how were their passports used to identify them? How were they identified so fast after the events? What was it a couple of days? Funny thing is, all the metal detector passage points have cameras monitoring them. None of the assumed hijackers showed up, besides the Atta mohhamad guy somewhere in west coast few hours before the tragic events. The least I'd expect to see is the rest of their faces going through the check points prior boarding. Really, how do we know who were they?
i give u a hint; the judge in the moussari trial admitted there was not a shred of evidence about whom the terrorists were, infact he said that the names provided by the gov are not reliable since almost all of 'em were found alive and well in thier respective countries. and ya includin' atta that rang his father protestin' his innocence the days followin' 9/11.
whatever, i never saw any real scene from the trial, all we had were sketches so the judge could have been a transexual for what i could see. one thing was clear tho..the statements issued at the end of the trial.