The narratives, they'll be a changin'...

Tsing Tao · Jan 4, 2021

gwb-trading said:
Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler is now echoing … President Trump
https://nypost.com/2021/01/03/portland-mayor-ted-wheeler-is-now-echoing-president-trump/

“Radical Antifa and anarchists.”

Question: Who used those words to describe the rioters in Portland, Ore.?

Answer: President Trump, who was then swiftly “fact-checked” and scorned for saying such a thing months ago — and Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler, who used the same terms last weekend as he vowed to finally crack down on the group.
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Remember how all the violence was coming from Right Wing White Supremacist groups? Good times.

Tsing Tao · Mar 4, 2021

Cuddles · Jul 24, 2021

Mercor · Jul 24, 2021

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The Climeworks carbon sucking plant in Switzerland.
In Switzerland, a giant new machine is sucking carbon directly from the air

Overnight · Jul 24, 2021

Mercor said:

The Climeworks carbon sucking plant in Switzerland.
In Switzerland, a giant new machine is sucking carbon directly from the air
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Have a news article link? If it is what I think it is, I can shut down the idea instantly. Energy transfer is the key idea on that.

ph1l · Jul 25, 2021

Overnight said:
Have a news article link? If it is what I think it is, I can shut down the idea instantly. Energy transfer is the key idea on that.
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https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/06/switzerland-giant-new-machine-sucking-carbon-directly-air

In Switzerland, a giant new machine is sucking carbon directly from the air
By Christa Marshall, E&E NewsJun. 1, 2017 , 10:30 AM

Originally published by E&E News

The world's first commercial plant for capturing carbon dioxide directly from the air opened yesterday, refueling a debate about whether the technology can truly play a significant role in removing greenhouse gases already in the atmosphere.

The Climeworks AG facility near Zurich becomes the first ever to capture CO2 at industrial scale from air and sell it directly to a buyer.

Developers say the plant will capture about 900 tons of CO2 annually — or the approximate level released from 200 cars — and pipe the gas to help grow vegetables.

While the amount of CO2 is a small fraction of what firms and climate advocates hope to trap at large fossil fuel plants, Climeworks says its venture is a first step in their goal to capture 1 percent of the world's global CO2 emissions with similar technology. To do so, there would need to be about 250,000 similar plants, the company says.

"Highly scalable negative emission technologies are crucial if we are to stay below the 2-degree target [for global temperature rise] of the international community," said Christoph Gebald, co-founder and managing director of Climeworks.

The plant sits on top of a waste heat recovery facility that powers the process. Fans push air through a filter system that collects CO2. When the filter is saturated, CO2 is separated at temperatures above 100 degrees Celsius.

The gas is then sent through an underground pipeline to a greenhouse operated by Gebrüder Meier Primanatura AG to help grow vegetables, like tomatoes and cucumbers.

Gebald and Climeworks co-founder Jan Wurzbacher said the CO2 could have a variety of other uses, such as carbonating beverages. They established Climeworks in 2009 after working on air capture during postgraduate studies in Zurich.

The new plant is intended to run as a three-year demonstration project, they said. In the next year, the company said it plans to launch additional commercial ventures, including some that would bury gas underground to achieve negative emissions.

"With the energy and economic data from the plant, we can make reliable calculations for other, larger projects," said Wurzbacher.

'Sideshow'
There are many critics of air capture technology who say it would be much cheaper to perfect carbon capture directly at fossil fuel plants and keep CO2 out of the air in the first place.

Among the skeptics are Massachusetts Institute of Technology senior research engineer Howard Herzog, who called it a "sideshow" during a Washington event earlier this year.

He estimated that total system costs for air capture could be as much as $1,000 per ton of CO2, or about 10 times the cost of carbon removal at a fossil fuel plant.

"At that price, it is ridiculous to think about right now. We have so many other ways to do it that are so much cheaper," Herzog said.

He did not comment specifically on Climeworks but noted that the cost for air capture is high partly because CO2 is diffuse in the air, while it is more concentrated in the stream from a fossil fuel plant.

Climeworks did not immediately release detailed information on its costs but said in a statement that the Swiss Federal Office of Energy would assist in financing. The European Union also provided funding.

In 2015, the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine released a report saying climate intervention technologies like air capture were not a substitute for reducing emissions.

Last year, two European scientists wrote in the journal Science that air capture and other "negative emissions" technologies are an "unjust gamble," distracting the world from viable climate solutions (Greenwire, Oct. 14, 2016).

Engineers have been toying with the technology for years, and many say it is a needed option to keep temperatures to controllable levels.

It's just a matter of lowering costs, supporters say. More than a decade ago, entrepreneur Richard Branson launched the Virgin Earth Challenge and offered $25 million to the builder of a viable air capture design.

Climeworks was a finalist in that competition, as were companies like Carbon Engineering, which is backed by Microsoft Corp. co-founder Bill Gates and is testing air capture at a pilot plant in British Columbia.

Reprinted from Greenwire with permission from E&E News. Copyright 2017. E&E provides essential news for energy and environment professionals
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Overnight · Jul 25, 2021

ph1l said:
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Can't shut down the idea yet, because of this line...

"The plant sits on top of a waste heat recovery facility that powers the process. Fans push air through a filter system that collects CO2. When the filter is saturated, CO2 is separated at temperatures above 100 degrees Celsius..."

What is a "waste heat recovery facility" and what powers the fans that push air? When the filter is saturated, what then heats the CO2 to above 100 degrees C?

Need the info!

ph1l · Jul 25, 2021

Overnight said:
What is a "waste heat recovery facility" and what powers the fans that push air? When the filter is saturated, what then heats the CO2 to above 100 degrees C?

Need the info!
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https://climeworks.com/co2-removal

So, it sounds like they could be burning trees (renewables) or garbage (waste).

But the picture shows something else.

Of course, there is a catch: They want you to pay them plus "applicable taxes." And this is to enable carbon dioxide removal, which is not necessarily the same as actually removing it.
https://climeworks.com/subscriptions

Mercor · Jul 25, 2021

ph1l said:
https://climeworks.com/co2-removal
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So, it sounds like they could be burning trees (renewables) or garbage (waste).

But the picture shows something else.
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Of course, there is a catch: They want you to pay them plus "applicable taxes." And this is to enable carbon dioxide removal, which is not necessarily the same as actually removing it.
https://climeworks.com/subscriptions
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Nice info...
I read that the collected carbon is sold to beverage companies for the fizz
And ironically sold to oil companies and used to squeeze oil from formations